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YES Hannibal was BLACK (African!)
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It is about the quality of the movie. But the quality of the movie will be very poor if the truth is ignored or twisted. Look at how Jesus is sometimes depicted, blond hair and blue eyes, that couldn't be further from the truth. In this day and age Black people have the power to stand up for the truth that depicts them in a positive light. Ask yourself this, why are black people referred to as "African American"? Could it be because black people are originally from Africa? So now we have a very powerful African but all of a sudden he's not black? Damn where's the logic or justice in that? As soon as it's proven that a BLACK person had any real significance in this world people begin to find ways to discredit him or strip him of his culture. All I'm asking is to give credit where credit is due. Hannibal was an African man, a BLACK African Man. He should be depicted as that in the movie.

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Some black people say that about everyone they can. There are all kinds of people who twist history and read their own interests into the facts to make things seem how they want them to seem. But that doesn't make it real. I do my best to ignore people like that because their stupid beleifs aren't worth hearing

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As long as the movie is good i dont give a dame if hes black, white or purple. Stop making this rasist topics.

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alberto72 said:

It is about the quality of the movie. But the quality of the movie will be very poor if the truth is ignored or twisted. Look at how Jesus is sometimes depicted, blond hair and blue eyes, that couldn't be further from the truth. In this day and age Black people have the power to stand up for the truth that depicts them in a positive light. Ask yourself this, why are black people referred to as "African American"? Could it be because black people are originally from Africa? So now we have a very powerful African but all of a sudden he's not black? Damn where's the logic or justice in that? As soon as it's proven that a BLACK person had any real significance in this world people begin to find ways to discredit him or strip him of his culture. All I'm asking is to give credit where credit is due. Hannibal was an African man, a BLACK African Man. He should be depicted as that in the movie.

what's up with all this "is he black or was he white" bull****? does it really matter?


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alberto72 said:

It is about the quality of the movie. But the quality of the movie will be very poor if the truth is ignored or twisted. Look at how Jesus is sometimes depicted, blond hair and blue eyes, that couldn't be further from the truth. In this day and age Black people have the power to stand up for the truth that depicts them in a positive light. Ask yourself this, why are black people referred to as "African American"? Could it be because black people are originally from Africa? So now we have a very powerful African but all of a sudden he's not black? Damn where's the logic or justice in that? As soon as it's proven that a BLACK person had any real significance in this world people begin to find ways to discredit him or strip him of his culture. All I'm asking is to give credit where credit is due. Hannibal was an African man, a BLACK African Man. He should be depicted as that in the movie.


Hate to burst your bubble but a bust of Hannibal was found in Naples and he looked pretty Non Black to me. I don't really care either way but history is what it is. You can't change it to fit what you would like to happen. So indeed "give credit where credit is due."




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it does infact matter if he was or was not black, because this is another case of history being rewritten to appeal to euro-centricism.
if u want to argue that the busts found of him look like he isnt black, then i will argue of the busts found of JESUS that clearly depict him as black found hundreds of ears before michalangelo's paintings, and paintings of a black jesus and the black madonna before michangalo also, but constatine paid michalangelo o paint him as white so he did, and history was rewritten

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astrosaki said:

it does infact matter if he was or was not black, because this is another case of history being rewritten to appeal to euro-centricism.
if u want to argue that the busts found of him look like he isnt black, then i will argue of the busts found of JESUS that clearly depict him as black found hundreds of ears before michalangelo's paintings, and paintings of a black jesus and the black madonna before michangalo also, but constatine paid michalangelo o paint him as white so he did, and history was rewritten


So when exactly did we start talking about Jesus????? I don't care if he was black, white, or orange. I'm a Christian and he's my savior. So why even bring that up????? I'm just saying don't try to change things to fit what you want.....too many people focus on color in this world.




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so vin will get a tan. and who cares what color Jesus was. you can't change what He said and did. He is God and He could have been chinese for all I care







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astrosaki said:

it does infact matter if he was or was not black, because this is another case of history being rewritten to appeal to euro-centricism.
if u want to argue that the busts found of him look like he isnt black, then i will argue of the busts found of JESUS that clearly depict him as black found hundreds of ears before michalangelo's paintings, and paintings of a black jesus and the black madonna before michangalo also, but constatine paid michalangelo o paint him as white so he did, and history was rewritten


Um... actually Jesus wasn't black, nor was he white either. He was more middle eastern looking rather. Black/brownish hair, dark eyes and very tan.

Second Michalangelo didn't get paid to paint Jesus white. 2 reasons, 1 Michalangelo only did statues/sculputres of Jesus, usually with Mary. Second, Constantine and Michelangelo lived only a few centuries apart, but hey lets not have facts ruin a perfectly good debate.

As far as Hannibal, he wasn't black or white either, he was Tyrian-Phoenician which would be almost present day Lebanon. So that would be middle eastern decent as well.

Before you start playing the race card, why don't you do some history checking to learn the rules of the game before showing your hand.

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astrosaki said:

it does infact matter if he was or was not black, because this is another case of history being rewritten to appeal to euro-centricism.
if u want to argue that the busts found of him look like he isnt black, then i will argue of the busts found of JESUS that clearly depict him as black found hundreds of ears before michalangelo's paintings, and paintings of a black jesus and the black madonna before michangalo also, but constatine paid michalangelo o paint him as white so he did, and history was rewritten


Not only do you know nothing of history, but you know nothing of geography if you think Jesus or Hannibal were black. Do you know where Nazareth was? How about Carthage?

Here is a bust of Hannibal made during his lifetime in tribute to him. Does he look black?


He was born and raised in Tyre, the Phoenician island city off the coast of what is now Lebanon.

As for Nazareth, it was (and still is) located in northern Israel.


So let me ask you 2 questions.

1. Would a person born in the Middle East be black? The answer is no.

2. Do you think anyone here doesn't realise you are here with your 2 whole posts to flame bait? Sorry, no one is falling for it. Good luck next time.

I can't wait to see you reply that now you think George Washington was actually black. What am I saying, we know you won't be back...at least not with this screen name.


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That bust that was shown is a European's idea of who Hannibal was and not the African's idea of the real Hannibal. Caucasians will say just about anything to disprove the real African Hannibal even if it making a fake bust of him to please the European people. And how do we really know that the bust is really Hannibal and not someone's idea of what he thinks Hannibal was. Hannibal is and always will be an African no matter what the Caucasian thinks Hannibal is.

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Looks like this is the guy that was proven wrong and now changed his account name.Oh and also, PROVE your so-called facts that he was black casue i still havent found any good one. Since we WAS born beside the place which is now lebenon, im pretty sure he would be middle-eastern and NOT black.


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Now Mr your going to far when you say Egyptians arent black your a real Idiot and anyone with your beliefs who read this message is also an idiot. First off the first sevn dynasties of egypt were black look at the Sphinx King Khafre the builder of the sphinx was African not just African but black on top of that no tan Nubian Black and so were his descendants the builders of the Pyramids. And I'm going to make you feel stupid your Biblical reference was good but you didnt finish Ham was the son of Noah but did you know that ham did not only birth the Africans but his descendants were Cush, Mizraim, Phut, and Canaan now doesn't that last name sound familiar yes the Canaanites descended from Ham and also the Phoenicians aren't these the ancestors of Hannibal ah ha. From Hams other sons Cush "black" (sons were Seba, Havilah, Sabta, Raamah and Sabtech they gave birth to the (Nubians, Ethiopians, Somalians, Sudanese, Dravidians, Sumerians, Babylonians, Djiboutians, Eriteans, Yemenis, and other related groups. From Mizraim "double lands" (sons were Lud, Anom, Pathros, Chasloth and Chaphtor) and from them sprouted (Egyptians, Khemets, Philistines, and Copts, other related groups. What im trying to say is Egyptians were black now maybe there mixing made them lighter than there Nubian Cousins but there all black. And before any of you Jackasses try to reply with some ridiculous foolishness go to http://en.wikipedia.org/w
iki/Ham,_son_of_Noah.
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shabazz said:

That bust that was shown is a European's idea of who Hannibal was and not the African's idea of the real Hannibal. Caucasians will say just about anything to disprove the real African Hannibal even if it making a fake bust of him to please the European people. And how do we really know that the bust is really Hannibal and not someone's idea of what he thinks Hannibal was. Hannibal is and always will be an African no matter what the Caucasian thinks Hannibal is.


Wrong! That bust was done by a Cartheginian artist to cellebrate their great military leader. Why would the Europeans build a bust of the guy who attacked them and then send that bust to Lebenon where it was discovered? I challenge you to present one single piece of evidence that supports the idea that Hannibal was African. Anything. Any book or web site or newspaper clipping. I'll try not to hold my breath while I wait.

You make no sense. But it's nice to see I was right about you returning under a new screen name.


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your not that smart...the Definition od Caucasian is anyone from Europe, Middle East, North Africa, And india...he was Dark skin, not like the romans, yet he was not black... plus his mother was Iberian, From Spain...and these are Romans, not Racists, if he was black they would said so..to make themselves seem great for beating the great monster Hannibal

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Damn many of you are crazy! I'm black and I really don't care if Hannibal was black or not. If he was black cool, if not so what. Hannibal would have conquer all the world if he could. Without making any difference of my dark or light skin. Septimus Severus was of dark skin origin, that didn't stop him to oppress Egyptians, Lybians, Arabs, Ethiopians, kick tan-skins Parthians & light skin Angles asses.

You're with Carthage or NOT thats how those savage lived in those days... Absolutism!

Its a useless debate because we could do the same for Alexander played by Collin Farrell, who totally don't look Greek, English people playing romans. We can make a true association by knowing that Shaka Zulu was black and Erick the Red was white but for stories that are more then 2000 years **ck that it was savage world even if believe they were civilized and its good that Romans(no italian today are roman they mixed nation of norman, germans, franks and lombards), Carthaginians(no more), Macedonians (today mixed blood slave and greeks) don't exist anymore. Most of the world is mixed.

To make an empire you must mix to expand your borders!

Just wait for the movie and enjoy the action!

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Longshot said:

1. Would a person born in the Middle East be black? The answer is no.


Well you're not quite right the middle east was a place of many conquest, black or even white people lived here for thousands of years. Galatians (white warriors) and Nubian Axe warrior were commonly use the armies and as reward they had lands.

And for the case of Hannibal damn guys, he would have kill us all, we're no Carthaginians; he wouldn't care of the color of our skin. Unless we accept him and is stupid Ba'al god as masters of the world.

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I'm Tunisian. My father grew up a few miles from Carthage in a coastal town.

I've been to Carthage. I consider myself a decendant.

My father told me when he was young he used to find spear heads and artifacts from Carthage on the beach, not knowing what it was.

I am not black.

I am not white.

I am olive.

Tunisians from the coastal cities, those from the Spanish islands and Carthagians are one. They are the real decendants. They are a mix of the Roman, Greek and Carthagian empires.

They are unique. You cannot classify them as black or white. It's like saying hispanics are black or white.

They are just very rare.

And for the record lol; I look like Vin Diesal so.... They picked a good actor.

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P.S.

If you want to get into specifics:

I was born white, color wise lol.

I tan very easily and can very get dark.

After my first tan, I kept a general olive look which I never lose now no matter how long I stay out of the sun.

I have brown hair and brown eyes.

My brother was born with blonde hair that later became dark.

My brother has a son, blue eyes and blond hair.

My sister is very very white. She burns very easily.

The male genetics in my family are very strong. Kids resemble the fathers in features.

I heal and scar very well. I recently had a tendon cut and surgery to fix it, the doctor told me my recovery was 1 in 10. Almost never seen a complete recovery with the damage I had. The way you scar is related to genetics.

I build muscle very easily and I am extremely strong but almost always have a layer of fat, hard to see the abs.

If that sounds like black or white to you, your crazy.

Just watch the movie

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My grandfather is from the Canary Islands so that makes me a lighter shade of a mix of orange and purplish champagne watermelon type color.

Just wanted to clarify that.


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lol about once every six months this clown comes back, talks some more crap, and then disappears again.

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a lil off topic , but why is jesus black ? im just curious not even being sarcastic i just forget the whole argument for that.

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yghamel said:

I am olive.



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I heard his mom was white





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Aeneas said:

astrosaki said:

it does infact matter if he was or was not black, because this is another case of history being rewritten to appeal to euro-centricism.
if u want to argue that the busts found of him look like he isnt black, then i will argue of the busts found of JESUS that clearly depict him as black found hundreds of ears before michalangelo's paintings, and paintings of a black jesus and the black madonna before michangalo also, but constatine paid michalangelo o paint him as white so he did, and history was rewritten


Um... actually Jesus wasn't black, nor was he white either. He was more middle eastern looking rather. Black/brownish hair, dark eyes and very tan.

Second Michalangelo didn't get paid to paint Jesus white. 2 reasons, 1 Michalangelo only did statues/sculputres of Jesus, usually with Mary. Second, Constantine and Michelangelo lived only a few centuries apart, but hey lets not have facts ruin a perfectly good debate.

As far as Hannibal, he wasn't black or white either, he was Tyrian-Phoenician which would be almost present day Lebanon. So that would be middle eastern decent as well.

Before you start playing the race card, why don't you do some history checking to learn the rules of the game before showing your hand.


Oh yea because Mikey and you were there at the time. He was a Jew, plain and simple.





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