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| Elektra and her sais
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| POSTED Thursday, May 06, 2004 09:39:31 PM |
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| REPLIED Friday , May 07, 2004 09:57:50 AM |
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Hey, I agree with you...partially. I think Jennifer Garner did learn to do a lot of things with her sais, but they jsut cut it all the way through, the needed to make the movie shorter, so they cut many things out; see, in that training scence, notice how for a second, she has her hair tied down, in a braid, then when she flips the sai in the air, she has it loose, there was a part where she would undo it and many other things during tht training sequence.
By the way, its not the same move over and over again, (I will put this in terms that anyone would understand, independeltyl from if you have studied a japanese or a chinese martial art) she does the inside spin, the outside spin, the figuere eight in-wards and out-wards, double figure eights, inside flip, back stab, uplift and those are the ones that i noticed that she did, if you've seen anymore, please let me know.
" Once I am done sheding these tears, I shall begin to shed the blood of my enemies, and punish all who did me wrong" |
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| REPLIED Monday , May 10, 2004 05:52:52 PM |
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| REPLIED Tuesday, May 11, 2004 05:17:09 PM |
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Well, I think that shell be doin more stuff in this movie, as they focused on Matt in the last one, theyll focus on her in this one, and not jsut her with the sais, but her kicking people asses with the sais (people armed and unarmed). And by the way, I remeber a couple of months before prodcution began, she said that she had been training for the past few months with her "sai guy" and working on her flexibility, guess we'll jsut have to see about that...
If you wanna see pics of her practicing with her sais before filming a scene, go to the link that i posted on another thingy. lol.
" Once I am done sheding these tears, I shall begin to shed the blood of my enemies, and punish all who did me wrong" |
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| REPLIED Friday , May 21, 2004 03:26:00 PM |
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Hey, I was wondering how one of you said you noticed how she does some certain sai moves like the inside spin, the outside spin, the figuere eight in-wards and out-wards, double figure eights, inside flip, back stab, uplift, do you guys know a site or something or can u tell me how these moves are done exactly, i have my sais of my own but it would be kewl to know how her moves are done. plz help...it would be great, thanks |
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| REPLIED Saturday, May 22, 2004 07:59:56 AM |
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That was me who said that, I've been doing martial arts since I was 8, and the sai has always been my favorite weapon, I take them with me everywhere. But as they are a great weapon, they are also hard to use, the real sais are very heavy and if yours are sharpened like mine, then you could cut yourself quite easily, so be careful, and even if they are not sharpened, they can still stab through things, trust me, I know.
There are different styles to use sai, as we know, there are japanese martial arts (karate, ninjitsu, etc) and chinese martial arts (kung fu wushu, kung fu shaolin, plus all the different styles within them), and even though martila arts exist all over the world, I'm jsut gona talk about these two styles in particular, since they are the ones that I've learned to use the sai in.
Well, the chinese styles of amrtial art have always been more graceful, more acrobatic, more eyepleasing, so the movements are not jsut about strikes and blocks like the japanese martial art (remember Neo with the sais in matrix reloaded, most of it was japanese style). Elektra in daredevil, and from the pictures I've seen so far of her upcoming movie, uses chinese style, but I'm guessing she learned a bit more since episode 3X07 in Alias, since not only does seh apply there a chinese style of using the sais, but also a japanese.
And as an answer to your question now that we have the basic stuff cleared out, I don't know any web pages where you can learn to use sai, but if your gonna learn, you should go somewhere, for many reasons. There is not a very precise way to explain how to do these moves through writing, hell, if I lived where you lived I'd probably show you, maybe someone else can show you a web page where you can learn how to use the sai, thoguh I really recomend that you learn how to do it in a place where they can show you, not through the net.
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| REPLIED Saturday, May 22, 2004 06:11:05 PM |
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thanks, and yes it can dangerous lol, well i can swing it forward, backward, and thats about it, id like to learn more, u see if put myself in a place where they can teach me, but i have no money lol...i wish i did, that main reason why im looking for online resources regarding it so i can learn how to manipluate them, i like how jennifer garner uses them, thats the kind of moves id like to learn to do on the sai, im just hopeing ill find a website regarding that or something...but thanks for ur help |
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| REPLIED Sunday , May 30, 2004 06:26:09 PM |
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| REPLIED Saturday, June 05, 2004 12:13:30 AM |
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vanisher said:
Virtually ALL of Elektra's sai moves in hte movie are useless flashy tricks. They also hinge on the idea that a sai is a blade, which is not the case at all. There are some actual combat, moves, but they are few and quick. Also, there are about a dozen ways to strike with a sai, but she only does a few. So my answer to the question is that I hope they make it more realistic and make the saiweapon work more like the traditional martial arts weapon we know and love.
Yeah. The sai was developed to fight against swords, which mostly involves catching the blade and then either snapping it or trapping it to allow you to strike with a punch or kick or one of your sais. The way she holds them (with her index in middle fingers inside the prongs) she'd lose her fingers pretty quickly. The first thing I learned was to NEVER hold them like that. The two basic grips are open and closed. Open you place your thumb on the place where the prongs meet the blade and then wrap your fingers around the handle. Closed the tip of the blade is by your elbow, your index finger lies on the handle pointing at the butt, your fingers wrap around a prong and your thumb wraps around the blade and overlaps onto your fingers. When its closed you can do basic blocks and punch with the butt. Spins and flips are involved to make the weapon go from closed to open possitions and back again. I'd type them for you but without pictures it would be totally confusing. There are some books out there that are pretty cheap that you might want to look at. It's hard to figure out the strikes and spins, but it would be better than nothing. Elektra's moves are pretty and all, but they're not much more than what a drummer does with drum sticks. If that's all you want then cool, but if not it might be worth it to save up for lessons.
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| REPLIED Thursday, June 10, 2004 03:16:49 PM |
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Mandy's Clone said:
vanisher said:
Virtually ALL of Elektra's sai moves in hte movie are useless flashy tricks. They also hinge on the idea that a sai is a blade, which is not the case at all. There are some actual combat, moves, but they are few and quick. Also, there are about a dozen ways to strike with a sai, but she only does a few. So my answer to the question is that I hope they make it more realistic and make the saiweapon work more like the traditional martial arts weapon we know and love.
Yeah. The sai was developed to fight against swords, which mostly involves catching the blade and then either snapping it or trapping it to allow you to strike with a punch or kick or one of your sais. The way she holds them (with her index in middle fingers inside the prongs) she'd lose her fingers pretty quickly. The first thing I learned was to NEVER hold them like that. The two basic grips are open and closed. Open you place your thumb on the place where the prongs meet the blade and then wrap your fingers around the handle. Closed the tip of the blade is by your elbow, your index finger lies on the handle pointing at the butt, your fingers wrap around a prong and your thumb wraps around the blade and overlaps onto your fingers. When its closed you can do basic blocks and punch with the butt. Spins and flips are involved to make the weapon go from closed to open possitions and back again. I'd type them for you but without pictures it would be totally confusing. There are some books out there that are pretty cheap that you might want to look at. It's hard to figure out the strikes and spins, but it would be better than nothing. Elektra's moves are pretty and all, but they're not much more than what a drummer does with drum sticks. If that's all you want then cool, but if not it might be worth it to save up for lessons.
I can not think of any reason to actually spin the sai, but they sure had her doing it a lot. It blew my mind the way they made them out to be like two blades... lol A Sai is really more of a truncheon. While we are on the subject I recently purchased a pair of the famous energy sai of Agena... they're amazing. They weigh a ton, but feel so right in my hands. I have a nother pair of "real sai" The one I am holding in my picture is one ofthe rare and elusive "real" sais, but I have never seen anything like this. They (Agena Sai) are perfectly balanced. Truly these are some of the more powerful martial arts weapons in existence. I am still getting used to the weight... but if you have the means I recommend them. |
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| From what I saw on that behind the scences clip of elektra, they have preppared jennifer garner very well of the use of the Sai. And by the way, one of you said that sai werent to be used as she does, grabbing it in between your fingers since you run the risk of gettin your fingers cut off. Well, you are right, I asked my sensei that once, and he intrsucted me that holding the sai like that gives you more manuverability, and if its sharp, it allows you to do cuts as you do the spins, but you should only use sai like that agaisnt unarmed opponets. If thwe oponent is armed, with a sharp weapon like a katana, you use sai like explained before, There are three basic ways of holding this arm. The offensive hold is used for striking (uchi), catching (kake uke), and stabbing (saki tsuki). The defensive hold enables blocking with forearm because the blade is leaned on the forearm and thrusting with the handle (tsuka).
" Once I am done sheding these tears, I shall begin to shed the blood of my enemies, and punish all who did me wrong" |
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| REPLIED Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:06:25 PM |
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Well, as many setback martial artists have learned, marital arts evolve, they always have, they always will, thats what has made them what they are today and so propper and effective even agaisnt people armed with fire arms. People have also found new ways to use weapons, and I tell you from perosnal experience (My sais are edged and sharpened), the Sai CAN be a blade, and it's saved my life twice now (I never leave home without em, I caary them hidden in my pants tied by my belt). I thought you'd be more wise Vanisher to know such things as theese, but it seems that your so conserved in the traditional ways that you are not opne nor able to learn the new ways of martial arts...And by the way, I didn't grow up watching TNT nor any network, I've been dpoing martial arts since a very early age, my mother was a tae kwon doe instructor, and not only have I done karate, kung fu, but alsi tae kwon doe, and ninjutsu, and in all those martial arts and different styles, my favorite weapon has always been the sai, and the ones I have were given to my mother by her karate instructor when she was young, so they were edged and had sharpness when I got them....cheers
" Once I am done sheding these tears, I shall begin to shed the blood of my enemies, and punish all who did me wrong" |
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| REPLIED Friday , September 17, 2004 02:41:18 AM |
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hey guys whats up,
so i see the elektra/sai conversation going on here, i have a few question and schtuff....
well first of all, i havnt read all of the comics and stuff but from whats i have read, and the comics buff people i have talked to in the comic books they make the sais out to be bladed instead of being the traditional octagonal, or round, or the proper way of using 1 of each. so thats why the made them more blade like the the movie.
next i was wondering if any of you know tha brand or type of sais garner used in the movies, no only have i done matial arts since i was in 1st grade(im in my 3d year of college right now) but i have alwasy been very proficiet at the sais and nunchukas and i have accumulated quiet a collection of both, and i already have the limited elektra sais (the comic book version) and so i have been trying to track down the sais that garber uses in the movie for my collection, but i have had no luck so far, i havnt been able to find a brand name, a manufaterer, or any detail at all.
also the 2 styles of sai use (japenses/chinese) do you remeber the actual names of the matial arts, i cant remeber them for the life of me, i know there are tons but there is a main one for both jap and chin.
also for all you who practice the sais on this forum, what are your favorite brands and types, (mine are, i have original hand forged okinowen(spelling?) that are my main babies) i just would like to know your favorites to.
thanks guys
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