DwayneHicks said:

well, Agamemmnon was supposed to be the High King from Myceane. He was the brother of Menelaus, husband of Helen. Agamemmnon survived the war and returned home, where his wife and lover killed him, because he supposidly killed his own daughter to gain a favorable wind. then two of his children avenged him by killing thier mother and her lover. thats about all of that.

Ialokin said:

that thing with Agamemnon killing his daughter for a blessing of good winds is something that the guys who made helen of troy series made up I believe. Since his daughter got mad and killed Klytamneistra and her lover for killing her father. In case he didn't have more daughters that is Btw, his was named Electra and you've prolly heard the story. I've heard the story many times and just recently found out that it actually was Agamemnon's daughter it was about.

DwayneHicks said:

some one in this thread loves typing and you get one guess who

GokuBrandybuck said:

Vanya_Elda said:

*taps chin* Hmmm, well I seem to remember that Tokey asked for an explanation of Agamemnon and his cursed family...*checks* Umm, yeah she did...and what did I do? Oh, silly me, I did what she asked! Oh my, better not do that again, tsk tsk, bad Vanya...You'll go to the stocks for that one...Answering a question that is asked in general to a board and then clearing over the posts before you that had misguided info...tsk tsk...I'll never see light of day again for that one!

Answering peoples questions with good answers what were you possibly thinking!?!?!?! You should be ashamed.

GokuBrandybuck said:

Vanya_Elda said:

*taps chin* Hmmm, well I seem to remember that Tokey asked for an explanation of Agamemnon and his cursed family...*checks* Umm, yeah she did...and what did I do? Oh, silly me, I did what she asked! Oh my, better not do that again, tsk tsk, bad Vanya...You'll go to the stocks for that one...Answering a question that is asked in general to a board and then clearing over the posts before you that had misguided info...tsk tsk...I'll never see light of day again for that one!

Answering peoples questions with good answers what were you possibly thinking!?!?!?! You should be ashamed.

Cosmo_Kramer said:

GokuBrandybuck said:

Vanya_Elda said:

*taps chin* Hmmm, well I seem to remember that Tokey asked for an explanation of Agamemnon and his cursed family...*checks* Umm, yeah she did...and what did I do? Oh, silly me, I did what she asked! Oh my, better not do that again, tsk tsk, bad Vanya...You'll go to the stocks for that one...Answering a question that is asked in general to a board and then clearing over the posts before you that had misguided info...tsk tsk...I'll never see light of day again for that one!

Answering peoples questions with good answers what were you possibly thinking!?!?!?! You should be ashamed.

yeah..good on ya vanya

Vanya_Elda said:

*taps chin* Hmmm, well I seem to remember that Tokey asked for an explanation of Agamemnon and his cursed family...*checks* Umm, yeah she did...and what did I do? Oh, silly me, I did what she asked! Oh my, better not do that again, tsk tsk, bad Vanya...You'll go to the stocks for that one...Answering a question that is asked in general to a board and then clearing over the posts before you that had misguided info...tsk tsk...I'll never see light of day again for that one!

Vanya_Elda said:

Cosmo_Kramer said:

GokuBrandybuck said:

Vanya_Elda said:

*taps chin* Hmmm, well I seem to remember that Tokey asked for an explanation of Agamemnon and his cursed family...*checks* Umm, yeah she did...and what did I do? Oh, silly me, I did what she asked! Oh my, better not do that again, tsk tsk, bad Vanya...You'll go to the stocks for that one...Answering a question that is asked in general to a board and then clearing over the posts before you that had misguided info...tsk tsk...I'll never see light of day again for that one!

Answering peoples questions with good answers what were you possibly thinking!?!?!?! You should be ashamed.

yeah..good on ya vanya

*raises eyebrow* Cosmo, that didn't make a lick of sense. "Good on ya"? What the heck? Maybe you should just go to bed rather than posting at almost 2am, you might make more sense then...

Vanya_Elda said:

*sighs and stretches fingers* Storytime kiddies...

It all starts with Tantalus. Tantalus was once a friend of the Gods and decided to test their omniscience by serving them his own son Pelops at a banquet in honor of the Gods. All of the Gods instantly saw the truth, except Demeter who was too distraught over her daughter Persephone and ate Pelops's shoulder. The Gods put Pelops back together with a new shoulder made of Ivory and then damned Tantalus to the underworld where he was put in a pool of water with a fruit tree above him. Everytime he stooped to get water it would recede away out of his reach and everytime he reached for a piece of fruit it would raise out of his grasp.

Pelops went on and heard of the beautiful daughter of the king of Pisa named Hippodamia. If he could sucessfully flee on a chariot with Hippodamia without her father catching them, he could marry her--every suitor that did not succeed had their head nailed to the door of the palace. Pelops bribed Oenomaus's (the king) charioteer with the first night with Hippodamia to betray the king. Myrtilus accepted and they succeeded in tricking/killing the king. The three then fled and when Pelops left the group for a few moments to get some water, he returned to find Myrtilus pawing at Hippodamia. Pelops threw Mytrilus from a cliff to a watery grave. Mytrilus, while falling, screamed out a curse against Pelops and his entire line.

Now, this is where it gets overly complicated and complex with all the intertwining threads of incest and murder, so the family tree I put here will only contain the bare essentials -- ie there are supposed to be others on it, but they either a) are still important, but have nothing to do with the story, or b) not important at all...

Tantalus
|
Pelops+Hippodamia
|
Thyestes+Pelopia -- Aegisthus
Atreus+Aerope
|
Menelaus+Helen -- Hermione
Agamemnon+Cytemnestra
|
Iphigenia
Electra
Orestes

Pelops renamed Pisa to the Peloponnesus. After another entangling story, Arteus became the king of Mycenae. Then another long story of deception, incest, and murder -- Aegisthus (son and brother of Pelopia) killed Arteus and Thyestes becane king of Mycenae. Agamemnon and Menelaus fled to Sparta to take refuge with the king Tyndareus.

Tydareus+Leda
|
Clytemnestra
Catsor
Zeus+Leda
|
Polydeuces
Helen

Tyndareus hears what has happened in Mycenae and summons an army. Thyestes is drove away and Agamemnon, the eldest, is made king. Tyndareus married Clytemnestra to Agamemnon, but was perplexed and worried about Helen, since she was the most beautiful girl in the world he was afraid that all other suitors would kill him after he chose one. Eventually a compromise was reached due to the wise Odysseus and the Oath of Tyndareus was agreed among all suitors--1) the chosen suitor would have the defense from all others for his marriage to Helen 2) if another was to take Helen away, all suitors must persue him and exact punishment.

Lalala...I typed all of the Paris+Helen stuff in another post, I'll bump it up.

Menelaus returns from Crete, finds Helen missing so he appeals to his brother, king of Mycenae, and they invoke the oath. All eventually (it took a bit to get Odysseus and the young Achilleus) assemble at the port of Aulis ready to set sail. They sail to the wrong place, wound he king, and then sail back to Aulis. This king, Telephus, follows them back becuase he can only be cured by teh one who wounded him. Achilleus puts some corrosion from his sword into the wound and it heals it once. Telephus agrees to guide them, but now the winds blwoing in the worn direction and won't change. Agamemnon had scorned the goddess Artemis while hunting one day and the only way to get the winds to change is to sacrafice his own daughter Iphigenia. Agamemnon sent for his daughter with the message that he was marrying her to Achilleus. Iphigenia came in wedding clothes and was lead to an altar. On the way, she finds out what is going on but sitll agrees to go ahead with it. Now, there's 2 versions. 1) Agamemnon actually slit her throat and she died on the altar. 2) Agamemnon was just about to slit her throat when Artemis replaced her with a doe or stag (which was killed at that moment instead) and carried away Iphigenia to live in the land of the Taurians. Clytemnestra is furious when she finds out and has 10 years to ponder it while Agamemnon is at war.

While Agamemnon is gone, Clytemnestra sends away the son Orestes and takes Aegisthus as a lover. Agamemnon returns with his war prize Cassandra, the daughter of Priam, and Cassandra fortells their doom, but no one listens. Agamemnon is killed, stabbed in the back, by Clytemnestra and Aegisthus and then Cassandra is killed as well when she enters the palace. Orestes hears of this and returns with his friend Pylades for revenge.

When Electra is sent to Agamemnon's grave with the libation bearers to make drink-offerings, she runs into her brother Orestes and plot the murder of Clytemnestra and Aegisthus. When he gains entrance to the palace disguised as messenger there reporting his own death, Aegisthus comes to hear the good news and is killed immediately. Then Clytemnestra comes in to see the corpse and begs for her life. Now Orestes has to think it over a bit, kill mom = bad and not avenge dad's death also = bad. He ends up killing her and the Furies, avengers of murdered kin from the underworld, surround him and drive him mad. They chase him everywhere and he eventually finds Iphigenia in his roamings. He goes to Apollo to seek guidance and is sent to trial in Athens. Athena oversees the case and hears from Orestes and from the Furies. She eventually casts the deciding vote for Orestes and the curse is forever lifted from the line.

Orestes returns home to peacefully rule over Mycenae, Argos, and Sparta and took Hermione as his wife.


Blah, bloody heck, that was a lot of typing...

NightWolverine007 said:

Vanya_Elda said:

*sighs and stretches fingers* Storytime kiddies...

It all starts with Tantalus. Tantalus was once a friend of the Gods and decided to test their omniscience by serving them his own son Pelops at a banquet in honor of the Gods. All of the Gods instantly saw the truth, except Demeter who was too distraught over her daughter Persephone and ate Pelops's shoulder. The Gods put Pelops back together with a new shoulder made of Ivory and then damned Tantalus to the underworld where he was put in a pool of water with a fruit tree above him. Everytime he stooped to get water it would recede away out of his reach and everytime he reached for a piece of fruit it would raise out of his grasp.

Pelops went on and heard of the beautiful daughter of the king of Pisa named Hippodamia. If he could sucessfully flee on a chariot with Hippodamia without her father catching them, he could marry her--every suitor that did not succeed had their head nailed to the door of the palace. Pelops bribed Oenomaus's (the king) charioteer with the first night with Hippodamia to betray the king. Myrtilus accepted and they succeeded in tricking/killing the king. The three then fled and when Pelops left the group for a few moments to get some water, he returned to find Myrtilus pawing at Hippodamia. Pelops threw Mytrilus from a cliff to a watery grave. Mytrilus, while falling, screamed out a curse against Pelops and his entire line.

Now, this is where it gets overly complicated and complex with all the intertwining threads of incest and murder, so the family tree I put here will only contain the bare essentials -- ie there are supposed to be others on it, but they either a) are still important, but have nothing to do with the story, or b) not important at all...

Tantalus
|
Pelops+Hippodamia
|
Thyestes+Pelopia -- Aegisthus
Atreus+Aerope
|
Menelaus+Helen -- Hermione
Agamemnon+Cytemnestra
|
Iphigenia
Electra
Orestes

Pelops renamed Pisa to the Peloponnesus. After another entangling story, Arteus became the king of Mycenae. Then another long story of deception, incest, and murder -- Aegisthus (son and brother of Pelopia) killed Arteus and Thyestes becane king of Mycenae. Agamemnon and Menelaus fled to Sparta to take refuge with the king Tyndareus.

Tydareus+Leda
|
Clytemnestra
Catsor
Zeus+Leda
|
Polydeuces
Helen

Tyndareus hears what has happened in Mycenae and summons an army. Thyestes is drove away and Agamemnon, the eldest, is made king. Tyndareus married Clytemnestra to Agamemnon, but was perplexed and worried about Helen, since she was the most beautiful girl in the world he was afraid that all other suitors would kill him after he chose one. Eventually a compromise was reached due to the wise Odysseus and the Oath of Tyndareus was agreed among all suitors--1) the chosen suitor would have the defense from all others for his marriage to Helen 2) if another was to take Helen away, all suitors must persue him and exact punishment.

Lalala...I typed all of the Paris+Helen stuff in another post, I'll bump it up.

Menelaus returns from Crete, finds Helen missing so he appeals to his brother, king of Mycenae, and they invoke the oath. All eventually (it took a bit to get Odysseus and the young Achilleus) assemble at the port of Aulis ready to set sail. They sail to the wrong place, wound he king, and then sail back to Aulis. This king, Telephus, follows them back becuase he can only be cured by teh one who wounded him. Achilleus puts some corrosion from his sword into the wound and it heals it once. Telephus agrees to guide them, but now the winds blwoing in the worn direction and won't change. Agamemnon had scorned the goddess Artemis while hunting one day and the only way to get the winds to change is to sacrafice his own daughter Iphigenia. Agamemnon sent for his daughter with the message that he was marrying her to Achilleus. Iphigenia came in wedding clothes and was lead to an altar. On the way, she finds out what is going on but sitll agrees to go ahead with it. Now, there's 2 versions. 1) Agamemnon actually slit her throat and she died on the altar. 2) Agamemnon was just about to slit her throat when Artemis replaced her with a doe or stag (which was killed at that moment instead) and carried away Iphigenia to live in the land of the Taurians. Clytemnestra is furious when she finds out and has 10 years to ponder it while Agamemnon is at war.

While Agamemnon is gone, Clytemnestra sends away the son Orestes and takes Aegisthus as a lover. Agamemnon returns with his war prize Cassandra, the daughter of Priam, and Cassandra fortells their doom, but no one listens. Agamemnon is killed, stabbed in the back, by Clytemnestra and Aegisthus and then Cassandra is killed as well when she enters the palace. Orestes hears of this and returns with his friend Pylades for revenge.

When Electra is sent to Agamemnon's grave with the libation bearers to make drink-offerings, she runs into her brother Orestes and plot the murder of Clytemnestra and Aegisthus. When he gains entrance to the palace disguised as messenger there reporting his own death, Aegisthus comes to hear the good news and is killed immediately. Then Clytemnestra comes in to see the corpse and begs for her life. Now Orestes has to think it over a bit, kill mom = bad and not avenge dad's death also = bad. He ends up killing her and the Furies, avengers of murdered kin from the underworld, surround him and drive him mad. They chase him everywhere and he eventually finds Iphigenia in his roamings. He goes to Apollo to seek guidance and is sent to trial in Athens. Athena oversees the case and hears from Orestes and from the Furies. She eventually casts the deciding vote for Orestes and the curse is forever lifted from the line.

Orestes returns home to peacefully rule over Mycenae, Argos, and Sparta and took Hermione as his wife.


Blah, bloody heck, that was a lot of typing...

If you had to do an assignment of what you just said, I'm pretty sure that you will get a really good mark for it, Vanya_Elda.

NightWolverine007

Cosmo_Kramer said:

[i so so wish i had of sone an assignment on it...
i would have liked it a whole lot more if i did an assignment on it..

i dont realy know very much about the history behind this film

Cosmo_Kramer said:

NightWolverine007 said:

Vanya_Elda said:

*sighs and stretches fingers* Storytime kiddies...

It all starts with Tantalus. Tantalus was once a friend of the Gods and decided to test their omniscience by serving them his own son Pelops at a banquet in honor of the Gods. All of the Gods instantly saw the truth, except Demeter who was too distraught over her daughter Persephone and ate Pelops's shoulder. The Gods put Pelops back together with a new shoulder made of Ivory and then damned Tantalus to the underworld where he was put in a pool of water with a fruit tree above him. Everytime he stooped to get water it would recede away out of his reach and everytime he reached for a piece of fruit it would raise out of his grasp.

Pelops went on and heard of the beautiful daughter of the king of Pisa named Hippodamia. If he could sucessfully flee on a chariot with Hippodamia without her father catching them, he could marry her--every suitor that did not succeed had their head nailed to the door of the palace. Pelops bribed Oenomaus's (the king) charioteer with the first night with Hippodamia to betray the king. Myrtilus accepted and they succeeded in tricking/killing the king. The three then fled and when Pelops left the group for a few moments to get some water, he returned to find Myrtilus pawing at Hippodamia. Pelops threw Mytrilus from a cliff to a watery grave. Mytrilus, while falling, screamed out a curse against Pelops and his entire line.

Now, this is where it gets overly complicated and complex with all the intertwining threads of incest and murder, so the family tree I put here will only contain the bare essentials -- ie there are supposed to be others on it, but they either a) are still important, but have nothing to do with the story, or b) not important at all...

Tantalus
|
Pelops+Hippodamia
|
Thyestes+Pelopia -- Aegisthus
Atreus+Aerope
|
Menelaus+Helen -- Hermione
Agamemnon+Cytemnestra
|
Iphigenia
Electra
Orestes

Pelops renamed Pisa to the Peloponnesus. After another entangling story, Arteus became the king of Mycenae. Then another long story of deception, incest, and murder -- Aegisthus (son and brother of Pelopia) killed Arteus and Thyestes becane king of Mycenae. Agamemnon and Menelaus fled to Sparta to take refuge with the king Tyndareus.

Tydareus+Leda
|
Clytemnestra
Catsor
Zeus+Leda
|
Polydeuces
Helen

Tyndareus hears what has happened in Mycenae and summons an army. Thyestes is drove away and Agamemnon, the eldest, is made king. Tyndareus married Clytemnestra to Agamemnon, but was perplexed and worried about Helen, since she was the most beautiful girl in the world he was afraid that all other suitors would kill him after he chose one. Eventually a compromise was reached due to the wise Odysseus and the Oath of Tyndareus was agreed among all suitors--1) the chosen suitor would have the defense from all others for his marriage to Helen 2) if another was to take Helen away, all suitors must persue him and exact punishment.

Lalala...I typed all of the Paris+Helen stuff in another post, I'll bump it up.

Menelaus returns from Crete, finds Helen missing so he appeals to his brother, king of Mycenae, and they invoke the oath. All eventually (it took a bit to get Odysseus and the young Achilleus) assemble at the port of Aulis ready to set sail. They sail to the wrong place, wound he king, and then sail back to Aulis. This king, Telephus, follows them back becuase he can only be cured by teh one who wounded him. Achilleus puts some corrosion from his sword into the wound and it heals it once. Telephus agrees to guide them, but now the winds blwoing in the worn direction and won't change. Agamemnon had scorned the goddess Artemis while hunting one day and the only way to get the winds to change is to sacrafice his own daughter Iphigenia. Agamemnon sent for his daughter with the message that he was marrying her to Achilleus. Iphigenia came in wedding clothes and was lead to an altar. On the way, she finds out what is going on but sitll agrees to go ahead with it. Now, there's 2 versions. 1) Agamemnon actually slit her throat and she died on the altar. 2) Agamemnon was just about to slit her throat when Artemis replaced her with a doe or stag (which was killed at that moment instead) and carried away Iphigenia to live in the land of the Taurians. Clytemnestra is furious when she finds out and has 10 years to ponder it while Agamemnon is at war.

While Agamemnon is gone, Clytemnestra sends away the son Orestes and takes Aegisthus as a lover. Agamemnon returns with his war prize Cassandra, the daughter of Priam, and Cassandra fortells their doom, but no one listens. Agamemnon is killed, stabbed in the back, by Clytemnestra and Aegisthus and then Cassandra is killed as well when she enters the palace. Orestes hears of this and returns with his friend Pylades for revenge.

When Electra is sent to Agamemnon's grave with the libation bearers to make drink-offerings, she runs into her brother Orestes and plot the murder of Clytemnestra and Aegisthus. When he gains entrance to the palace disguised as messenger there reporting his own death, Aegisthus comes to hear the good news and is killed immediately. Then Clytemnestra comes in to see the corpse and begs for her life. Now Orestes has to think it over a bit, kill mom = bad and not avenge dad's death also = bad. He ends up killing her and the Furies, avengers of murdered kin from the underworld, surround him and drive him mad. They chase him everywhere and he eventually finds Iphigenia in his roamings. He goes to Apollo to seek guidance and is sent to trial in Athens. Athena oversees the case and hears from Orestes and from the Furies. She eventually casts the deciding vote for Orestes and the curse is forever lifted from the line.

Orestes returns home to peacefully rule over Mycenae, Argos, and Sparta and took Hermione as his wife.


Blah, bloody heck, that was a lot of typing...

If you had to do an assignment of what you just said, I'm pretty sure that you will get a really good mark for it, Vanya_Elda.

NightWolverine007

i so so wish i had of sone an assignment on it...
i would have liked it a whole lot more if i did an assignment on it..

i dont realy know very much about the history behind this film

bhaumik2004 said:

Cosmo_Kramer said:

[i so so wish i had of sone an assignment on it...
i would have liked it a whole lot more if i did an assignment on it..

i dont realy know very much about the history behind this film

It's not history, Cosmo, it's myth. Myth
is something half religious, half factual.
The biggest, most enduring myths have
something factual at their core.

For instance, it's a fact that there was
some huge battle at Troy (Ilium); for
just what, is less clear.

Agammemnon belonged to the house of
Atreus, on whom there was a multi-
generational curse. Vanya gave you
the complete lowdown: she knows
this story cold.