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the beginning starts out too fast and kind of blah. john williams killed the music. music really just sucked (well, most of it). the dramatic lines they show on tv for trailers are in a places that makes them lose their power. but, what the real tragedy is is what this movie could have been. it had all the elements to be a "lord of the rings" quality epic but, failed to live up to or fullfil that.(mostly becasue of the script) all in all it is a good movie and worth seeing, but it had the potential to much greater.

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not John Williams! As a huge John Williams fan I can't let that one slide. I didn't think the music fitted the film at all I was dissapointed with it. But didn't they change it at really short notice or something. I know there was some issue surronding it, and you could tell. Was it James Horner who did it in the end?



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I actually loved the music. They just played it a little too much. I think my favorite part with the music was when they were showing all of Troy for the first time.



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I liked the music. It pulled me in even further into the movie.


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I loved the music, but not the way it was used in the movie. As for the rejected score, I've heard a great deal of it, and it was just even louder than Horner's. It was a little too... obvious for my tastes. There are one or two great tracks; however, the equivalents on Horner's score to those tracks, I love also (especially the Greek ships approaching Troy. Both composers did amazing jobs for that part). All in all, as much as I don't think Horner's score fit the film, I think Yared's score would have fit even less. And yes, there is a VERY annoying wailing woman on Yared's score, too. While his score wasn't bad, I must say, I'm glad they opted for Horner's. Oh, and if you wanna listen to Yared's score, it's at his Official Site .

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the beginning starts out too fast and kind of blah. john williams killed the music. music really just sucked (well, most of it). the dramatic lines they show on tv for trailers are in a places that makes them lose their power. but, what the real tragedy is is what this movie could have been. it had all the elements to be a "lord of the rings" quality epic but, failed to live up to or fullfil that.(mostly becasue of the script) all in all it is a good movie and worth seeing, but it had the potential to much greater.


well there wasnt a big fight at the end...just achilies vs that giant dude...



look at the huge war at the start of gladiator ..and it was nealy the same movie as troy..both not set that far apart....and gladiator won all the oscars

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GokuBrandybuck said:

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totallyawesome said:

the beginning starts out too fast and kind of blah. john williams killed the music. music really just sucked (well, most of it). the dramatic lines they show on tv for trailers are in a places that makes them lose their power. but, what the real tragedy is is what this movie could have been. it had all the elements to be a "lord of the rings" quality epic but, failed to live up to or fullfil that.(mostly becasue of the script) all in all it is a good movie and worth seeing, but it had the potential to much greater.


well there wasnt a big fight at the end...just achilies vs that giant dude...



look at the huge war at the start of gladiator ..and it was nealy the same movie as troy..both not set that far apart....and gladiator won all the oscars


Cos, the only similarities Gladiator and Troy share are they are both epics set thousands of years ago, they are not both nearly the same movie.



no...there are planty...

both about a worrior..worriors

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Gladiator and Troy were VERY different movies. The setting was similar, but not the same, and the stories were totally different. And of course both movies are about warriors. Warrior is a pretty broad term. The themes, the story, the characters, the setting, the quality of those movies: all different. That's sort of like the LotR/HP comparisons--totally unfounded. Or as Joey on Friends would say: It's a Moo point.

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coolpeachdust said:

Gladiator and Troy were VERY different movies. The setting was similar, but not the same, and the stories were totally different. And of course both movies are about warriors. Warrior is a pretty broad term. The themes, the story, the characters, the setting, the quality of those movies: all different. That's sort of like the LotR/HP comparisons--totally unfounded. Or as Joey on Friends would say: It's a Moo point.


um...ok

the 2 films have alot incomon...

wolfgang was basactly going off what scott did with gladiator










dont piss me off ok...

im rating it as a film thing...not in a bull story way with 2 films that there is no fact to...

there is the smae amount of fact in this films are there is in lord of the ring

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Cosmo... Gladiator and Troy are totally different. Gladiator is about one guy. Troy is about many many characters and an entire war. I think everyone would agree with me on this.



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Cosmo... Gladiator and Troy are totally different. Gladiator is about one guy. Troy is about many many characters and an entire war. I think everyone would agree with me on this.

Definitely. And I don't believe Wolfgang approached this film in a similar way to Ridley's approach on Gladiator at all. Both films have a very different look, for one thing. The cinematography in Gladiator was more stylized and expressive (and I LOVE that!). Ridley approached Gladiator as a very intimate story. While yes, it did effect the entire Roman empire, the story was about one man's journey to finding peace. Wolfgang approached Troy as a very massive movie, wide in scope. Sure, there were central characters, but as PyroGurl said, there was no single character it centered around. Troy was about BIG armies fighting in BIG CGI battles, in a very BIG war. There was only one big battle, and even that battle was handled very intimately. We didn't see any huge army of thousands of CGI soldiers running into each other. Yes, we see the flying arrows and armies approaching, but when the real battle ensues, Scott focuses on the individuals, and real people , and the hero of the story. That battle is completely about establishing Maximus as a general, and the power he held. The battle, even though it was big, was still all about Maximus. Ridley approached Gladiator as a much more personal movie than Wolfgang approached Troy, yet it is just as much an epic.

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GokuBrandybuck said:

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Gladiator and Troy were VERY different movies. The setting was similar, but not the same, and the stories were totally different. And of course both movies are about warriors. Warrior is a pretty broad term. The themes, the story, the characters, the setting, the quality of those movies: all different. That's sort of like the LotR/HP comparisons--totally unfounded. Or as Joey on Friends would say: It's a Moo point.


um...ok

the 2 films have alot incomon...

wolfgang was basactly going off what scott did with gladiator










dont piss me off ok...

im rating it as a film thing...not in a bull story way with 2 films that there is no fact to...

there is the smae amount of fact in this films are there is in lord of the ring


LMAO!!!!! You tell us not to piss you off! I find that hilarious.


lol

its just that..i go to the passion board and every gangs up on me...
and same here



in both storys...troy and the passion...

there isnt a shred of truth in them

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Cosmo... Gladiator and Troy are totally different. Gladiator is about one guy. Troy is about many many characters and an entire war. I think everyone would agree with me on this.



um..ok

yeah..

historicly they might only have little in common..but film wise..they are compleatly the same

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in both storys...troy and the passion...

there isnt a shred of truth in them


Am I understanding you correctly to say that you think there isn't a shred of truth in the film 'the passion'
Ok, I can tolerate you criticising the factual evidence surronding Troy, but otherwise you are just claiming to disprove the whole of the Christianity belief system!
Fine if you don't beleive it, but you can't make statements like that as if they are facts!



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GokuBrandybuck said:

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Cosmo... Gladiator and Troy are totally different. Gladiator is about one guy. Troy is about many many characters and an entire war. I think everyone would agree with me on this.



um..ok

yeah..

historicly they might only have little in common..but film wise..they are compleatly the same


They are not completely the same get it trhough your damn head Cos!!!!!!!! Thats like saying Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter are exacly the same because they both have fantasy.





the critics only compare it to gladiator


people i know compare it to gladiator


heck...boxofficemojo.com have a daily showdown GLAGIATOR VS TROY


so they think the movies have enough in common to VS then together

hey could have done Troy VS Muppets In Space


http://www.boxofficemojo.
com/franchises/chart/?id=
vs-swordandsandal.htm





from now on keep your mouth shut

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about our little argument

because i win..

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from now on keep your mouth shut


No, I think it's from now on YOU better not attack anyone else, which you are yet again doing here.

You're wrong Cosmo, accept it. You're just making an ass of yourself and looking stupid because you're continuing this. (You should consider this in other "arguments" as well.)

The ONLY reason it's being compared to Gladiator is the existence of classic armor in both. That is the one and ONLY reason.

The Gladiator story happens CENTURIES after the Trojan war. Gladiator opens with an all-out war in a wooded area, Troy opens with a one-on-one fight in the desert. Gladiator has ONE central and heroic character, Troy has no one central character--it has several. Gladiator is not a constant war, there is only one short battle at the beginning, the rest is brutal man-to-man and man-to-beast fighting in an arena--Troy is warfare the entire movie. The central city in Gladiator has a republic political system, Troy was a monarchy. Gladiator was riddled with flashbacks and had a very idylic ending, not so with Troy.

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about our little argument

because i win..


*snickers* You wish...


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Yeah pretty much.


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Yeah pretty much.


whatever


Uh oh! Watch out people!









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Cosmo is apparently illiterate, then.


Yeah pretty much.


whatever


Uh oh! Watch out people!









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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Don't make me laugh!!! Ah... too late.



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Cosmo_Kramer said:

GokuBrandybuck said:

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Yeah pretty much.


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Cosmo... Gladiator and Troy are totally different. Gladiator is about one guy. Troy is about many many characters and an entire war. I think everyone would agree with me on this.






um..ok

yeah..

historicly they might only have little in common..but film wise..they are compleatly the same


They are not completely the same get it trhough your damn head Cos!!!!!!!! Thats like saying Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter are exacly the same because they both have fantasy.





the critics only compare it to gladiator


people i know compare it to gladiator


heck...boxofficemojo.com have a daily showdown GLAGIATOR VS TROY


so they think the movies have enough in common to VS then together

hey could have done Troy VS Muppets In Space


http://www.boxofficemojo.
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Nah, they are very different movies. They're just trying to say something about it.








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totallyawesome said:

but, what the real tragedy is is what this movie could have been. it had all the elements to be a "lord of the rings" quality epic but, failed to live up to or fullfil that.(mostly becasue of the script) all in all it is a good movie and worth seeing, but it had the potential to much greater.


You can't compare this film with LOTR because Peter Jackson's vision was very
loyal to Tolkien's story. While he could
not give you every detail, he did give
you a script that did not deviate from
the storyline, and a remarkable rendition
of Middle Earth: it felt like a parallel universe, it was so three dimensional.

Troy works in two dimensions only. This
film does not succeed as an epic because
of the liberties it took with the actual Iliad
(something that Vanya has accurately
noted); in spite of its all-star cast. This
is a big, glossy Hollywood retelling of
Homer's myth.

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totallyawesome said:

but, what the real tragedy is is what this movie could have been. it had all the elements to be a "lord of the rings" quality epic but, failed to live up to or fullfil that.(mostly becasue of the script) all in all it is a good movie and worth seeing, but it had the potential to much greater.


You can't compare this film with LOTR because Peter Jackson's vision was very
loyal to Tolkien's story. While he could
not give you every detail, he did give
you a script that did not deviate from
the storyline, and a remarkable rendition
of Middle Earth: it felt like a parallel universe, it was so three dimensional.

Troy works in two dimensions only. This
film does not succeed as an epic because
of the liberties it took with the actual Iliad
(something that Vanya has accurately
noted); in spite of its all-star cast. This
is a big, glossy Hollywood retelling of
Homer's myth.



well you can cant not compare this to lotr because of the vision...

lotr is 100% wripe off the books..

troy is more original....its going of a little poem...

alot of you complane that this isnt true to the poem..it isnt...because its not a wripe of

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ORIGINAL?! No, it's not more original, it's more Hollywood glam and BS...


It's Bruce!


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the only thing that makes me think it is

is brad

he was only in this film for his good looks..he can act

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