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| POSTED Saturday, May 15, 2004 12:43:43 AM |
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Vanya_Elda said:
Just start a list...I'll rant for like 15 minutes and then stop...for now...
1) Menelaus's death - WTF?! WTF?! WTF?! I actually did yell "What the hell?" in the theater...WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN...
2) Paris NOT dying and running away with Helen - *eye twitches* He was supposed to be taken down by an arrow right after he shot Achilleus (that was wrong too, but we'll get to that in sec ) and Menelaus is supposed to take Helen back after she exposes her breast to him to make him spare her life.
3) Briseis killing Agamemnon - WHOA! WTF?! No...He and Cassandra (Priam's daughter who could see the future and who was not in the movie ) are killed by Clytemnestra (Ag's actual wife) and Aegisthus (wife's new guy) when they return home...
4) Did anyone else notice that the battle happened in what, like a month max? Ummm...should be just over a decade!
5) Achilleus dying while saving Briseis: no, wrong...Supposed to die in battle...arghles...
6) Achilleus vs Hektor fight: Um, no huge battle beforehand where Achilleus slaughters tons of guys, no Hektor running way...
7) Where are Chriseis and Hekabe? Hmmm?
 Not explaining Achillues's heal...
9) Paris living in his father's good graces before he returns with Helen - Um, yeah...He had a bad prophecy so they wanted him dead... duh...They only let him b/c Cassandra says not to (no one believes her b/c of her curse)
10) Patroklos is Achilleus's male lover (very common actually) NOT his cousin, but can't have a "gay" Brad ya know...
11) The emphasis on the love story between Achilleus and Briseis - let's just not even go there
Agh...okay...that's enough for now...next?
OMG Vanya I know EXACLTY what you mean. the thing that bothered me the most though was probably Paris' not-death. HOW COULD THEY NOT KILL HIM?! gah. thats like, my favorite part of the story. when paris didnt die i hink i started laughing. oh well. and when menelaus did die...wow that was a shocker.
but, it was all made up for because of brad's hottness...mmmmm....okay, well maybe i still cant forgive them. they butchered the story.
i have another one for the list:
13. (i think, or 14) Andromanche in the book is taken into slavery along with many other Trojan women (isn't she?) And Hector's son is thrown off the walls of Troy. yeah, it is kinda okay that they took that part out. its too sad.
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terran said:
Oh come on!!! it was obvious from the start that this movie was going to be one of those reality driven things. No gods, no magic, no imortallity, none of that. It was meant to be a sort of in reality thing even if the real events are a mystery. It's not as if this movie is the first to do such a thing. I loved it even though i was saying "why isnt this happening now" every now and again.
well, apart all the changes, and i'm not simply mean, i found the movie not really good. It wasn't really bad, but it could have been so much better with a different music, some interesting camera moves, and some more rythm. Even the dialogs weren't really good.
You know, at some parts it bored me enough to think about what i was going to eat after the movie, and then realise what i was doing !
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Cosmo_Kramer said:
well with this...like alot of old storys..there are 20 acounts of each event...
so you might know of a different one then the director
No, wrong again, Cosmo. Yes, there maybe slight variations, BUT when and how the deaths of Paris, Achilleus, Hektor, Agamemnon, etc come about are the same across the board. Also again, if you're going to try to argue classical myth then it would help if you actually knew about or researched the subject in the first place. Actually, that piece of advise could do you well in other areas too.
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Vanya_Elda said:
Cosmo_Kramer said:
well with this...like alot of old storys..there are 20 acounts of each event...
so you might know of a different one then the director
No, wrong again, Cosmo. Yes, there maybe slight variations, BUT when and how the deaths of Paris, Achilleus, Hektor, Agamemnon, etc come about are the same across the board. Also again, if you're going to try to argue classical myth then it would help if you actually knew about or researched the subject in the first place. Actually, that piece of advise could do you well in other areas too.
the only think that have proven is that there was a city...and there was a battle...but i think that the whole helen and paris stuff is made up
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Cosmo_Kramer said:
Vanya_Elda said:
Cosmo_Kramer said:
well with this...like alot of old storys..there are 20 acounts of each event...
so you might know of a different one then the director
No, wrong again, Cosmo. Yes, there maybe slight variations, BUT when and how the deaths of Paris, Achilleus, Hektor, Agamemnon, etc come about are the same across the board. Also again, if you're going to try to argue classical myth then it would help if you actually knew about or researched the subject in the first place. Actually, that piece of advise could do you well in other areas too.
the only think that have proven is that there was a city...and there was a battle...but i think that the whole helen and paris stuff is made up
"the greated love story ever told"
 you forgot to add on your list the Homer's texts. They do exist. They're maybe telling tons of lies, but they do exist. The myth is written very clearly, no doubts at all. the movie is said to be based on Homer's text, nothing else. I imagine you know Homer lived Before Christ....
It's based on a book, like the 3 lotr, like Harry Potter, and a lot of other movies. Kill Bill as well. And they respected the stories. But not for Troy, why ?
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chouchou relou said:
Cosmo_Kramer said:
Vanya_Elda said:
Cosmo_Kramer said:
well with this...like alot of old storys..there are 20 acounts of each event...
so you might know of a different one then the director
No, wrong again, Cosmo. Yes, there maybe slight variations, BUT when and how the deaths of Paris, Achilleus, Hektor, Agamemnon, etc come about are the same across the board. Also again, if you're going to try to argue classical myth then it would help if you actually knew about or researched the subject in the first place. Actually, that piece of advise could do you well in other areas too.
the only think that have proven is that there was a city...and there was a battle...but i think that the whole helen and paris stuff is made up
"the greated love story ever told"
you forgot to add on your list the Homer's texts. They do exist. They're maybe telling tons of lies, but they do exist. The myth is written very clearly, no doubts at all. the movie is said to be based on Homer's text, nothing else. I imagine you know Homer lived Before Christ....
It's based on a book, like the 3 lotr, like Harry Potter, and a lot of other movies. Kill Bill as well. And they respected the stories. But not for Troy, why ?
i should just stop comin to this board
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Vanya_Elda said:
Just start a list...I'll rant for like 15 minutes and then stop...for now...
1) Menelaus's death - WTF?! WTF?! WTF?! I actually did yell "What the hell?" in the theater...WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN...
2) Paris NOT dying and running away with Helen - *eye twitches* He was supposed to be taken down by an arrow right after he shot Achilleus (that was wrong too, but we'll get to that in sec ) and Menelaus is supposed to take Helen back after she exposes her breast to him to make him spare her life.
3) Briseis killing Agamemnon - WHOA! WTF?! No...He and Cassandra (Priam's daughter who could see the future and who was not in the movie ) are killed by Clytemnestra (Ag's actual wife) and Aegisthus (wife's new guy) when they return home...
4) Did anyone else notice that the battle happened in what, like a month max? Ummm...should be just over a decade!
5) Achilleus dying while saving Briseis: no, wrong...Supposed to die in battle...arghles...
6) Achilleus vs Hektor fight: Um, no huge battle beforehand where Achilleus slaughters tons of guys, no Hektor running way...
7) Where are Chriseis and Hekabe? Hmmm?
Not explaining Achillues's heal...
9) Paris living in his father's good graces before he returns with Helen - Um, yeah...He had a bad prophecy so they wanted him dead... duh...They only let him b/c Cassandra says not to (no one believes her b/c of her curse)
10) Patroklos is Achilleus's male lover (very common actually) NOT his cousin, but can't have a "gay" Brad ya know...
11) The emphasis on the love story between Achilleus and Briseis - let's just not even go there
Agh...okay...that's enough for now...next?
Yeah, this movie kinda bugged me. Not only did they change a lot of the character motivations, but they didn't even justify the changes by re-making "history" in an interesting way.
They made some big choices, and it just wasn't very satisfying to me. Seemed like a lot of empty characters.
The battle scenes were good, but I don't know about the Achilles romance thing, it seemed like they needed something to offset the fact that Achilles was a killing machine (with a soft spotfor babes, I guess)
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samanthagamgee said:
Vanya_Elda said:
Just start a list...I'll rant for like 15 minutes and then stop...for now...
1) Menelaus's death - WTF?! WTF?! WTF?! I actually did yell "What the hell?" in the theater...WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN...
2) Paris NOT dying and running away with Helen - *eye twitches* He was supposed to be taken down by an arrow right after he shot Achilleus (that was wrong too, but we'll get to that in sec ) and Menelaus is supposed to take Helen back after she exposes her breast to him to make him spare her life.
3) Briseis killing Agamemnon - WHOA! WTF?! No...He and Cassandra (Priam's daughter who could see the future and who was not in the movie ) are killed by Clytemnestra (Ag's actual wife) and Aegisthus (wife's new guy) when they return home...
4) Did anyone else notice that the battle happened in what, like a month max? Ummm...should be just over a decade!
5) Achilleus dying while saving Briseis: no, wrong...Supposed to die in battle...arghles...
6) Achilleus vs Hektor fight: Um, no huge battle beforehand where Achilleus slaughters tons of guys, no Hektor running way...
7) Where are Chriseis and Hekabe? Hmmm?
Not explaining Achillues's heal...
9) Paris living in his father's good graces before he returns with Helen - Um, yeah...He had a bad prophecy so they wanted him dead... duh...They only let him b/c Cassandra says not to (no one believes her b/c of her curse)
10) Patroklos is Achilleus's male lover (very common actually) NOT his cousin, but can't have a "gay" Brad ya know...
11) The emphasis on the love story between Achilleus and Briseis - let's just not even go there
Agh...okay...that's enough for now...next?
Yeah, this movie kinda bugged me. Not only did they change a lot of the character motivations, but they didn't even justify the changes by re-making "history" in an interesting way.
They made some big choices, and it just wasn't very satisfying to me. Seemed like a lot of empty characters.
The battle scenes were good, but I don't know about the Achilles romance thing, it seemed like they needed something to offset the fact that Achilles was a killing machine (with a soft spotfor babes, I guess)
the only think that i found wrong with the film..was realy..that the whole movie was set in the one place
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Paris doesn't die?!?! Now I like Orlando and everything, but that is just plain wrong. Keeping the audience happy?? Not this member now. 
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