mickey0107 said:

This is the version in Encyclopaedia Mythica:

Philoctetes

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The son of Peoas, king of Meliboea, at the eastern coast of Thessaly. He was a close friend of Heracles, and he received the hero's bow and arrows when no other than he would light Heracles' funeral pyre. With seven ships Philoctetes sailed along in the expedition against Troy. When they stopped on the island Chryse to get supplies, he was bitten by a snake. The wound caused by the bite began to fester and produced such a horrible smell that the others could no bear it. On Odysseus' advice and at the order of the Atreidae, he was left behind on the island of Lemnos, where he spent ten long years in sufferance and loneliness.
However, because an oracle had prophesied that Troy could not be taken without the aid of Heracles' never missing arrows, Odysseus and Neoptolemus were send back to Lemnos to fetch Philoctetes. When they returned at Troy, Philoctetes' wound was healed by Asclepius (or Machaon). By killing Paris, Philoctetes accelerated the downfall of Troy.

According to some sources, he went to Italy on the return voyage from Troy, where he founded Brutti in Petelia (Strongoli). His person is the subject of tragedies by Aeschylus, Sophocles, and Euripides.

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Cosmo_Kramer said:



vanya...u know your stuff
is there a book or somthing out?

Cosmo_Kramer said:

mickey0107 said:

This is the version in Encyclopaedia Mythica:

Philoctetes

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The son of Peoas, king of Meliboea, at the eastern coast of Thessaly. He was a close friend of Heracles, and he received the hero's bow and arrows when no other than he would light Heracles' funeral pyre. With seven ships Philoctetes sailed along in the expedition against Troy. When they stopped on the island Chryse to get supplies, he was bitten by a snake. The wound caused by the bite began to fester and produced such a horrible smell that the others could no bear it. On Odysseus' advice and at the order of the Atreidae, he was left behind on the island of Lemnos, where he spent ten long years in sufferance and loneliness.
However, because an oracle had prophesied that Troy could not be taken without the aid of Heracles' never missing arrows, Odysseus and Neoptolemus were send back to Lemnos to fetch Philoctetes. When they returned at Troy, Philoctetes' wound was healed by Asclepius (or Machaon). By killing Paris, Philoctetes accelerated the downfall of Troy.

According to some sources, he went to Italy on the return voyage from Troy, where he founded Brutti in Petelia (Strongoli). His person is the subject of tragedies by Aeschylus, Sophocles, and Euripides.

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wow..you know your stuff aswell..lol


thats funny..i live in brisbane aswell
logan

PALL_GIRL21 said:

I was wondering, does Homer turn up anywhere near this story of Helen of Troy, and if so where?

Also, I think the way I've seen some previews, that the love between Paris and Helen is mutual, could you fill me in more on this (such as, oh I donno, the story between them, before he takes her away from the King) Thanks!!!

Vanya_Elda said:

PALL_GIRL21 said:

I was wondering, does Homer turn up anywhere near this story of Helen of Troy, and if so where?

Also, I think the way I've seen some previews, that the love between Paris and Helen is mutual, could you fill me in more on this (such as, oh I donno, the story between them, before he takes her away from the King) Thanks!!!

Question #1: No, he might not even have existed. He's just a guy the Greeks believed was the first guy to transcribe the normally oral poem.

Question #2: I'll get back to you tommorrow. Don't worry, the answer will be a few nice LONG paragraphs that I would type now if I was more coherent...(It's after midnight here and that mixed with explaining how the Paris+Helen relationship came to be~and the different variations, of course~wouldn't go so well me thinks b/c that story is very jumbled and long) So we'll save storytime for tomorrow...


Mickey - There was no arrogance intended in that post, but I can see how it could be taken that way...sorry!

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Cosmo_Kramer said:



vanya...u know your stuff
is there a book or somthing out?

Well I had a class and (since it was so awesome and interesting) I actually plan to most likely get a degree in Classics after I finish up my engineering. The book for the class is called: Classical Myth by Barry B. Powell, but Powell likes to add in his OPINION rather than fact from time to time so a few parts of the book were a little iffy - the rest was great though! My professor was amazing! I learned sooo much in that class. We also read the Iliad, the Odyssey, and 4 tragedies(sp?): Prometheus Bound, Oedipus the King, Antigone, and Hippolytus. I loved that class so much, I'm going to miss it next semester....

Vanya_Elda said:

Cosmo_Kramer said:

mickey0107 said:

This is the version in Encyclopaedia Mythica:

Philoctetes

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The son of Peoas, king of Meliboea, at the eastern coast of Thessaly. He was a close friend of Heracles, and he received the hero's bow and arrows when no other than he would light Heracles' funeral pyre. With seven ships Philoctetes sailed along in the expedition against Troy. When they stopped on the island Chryse to get supplies, he was bitten by a snake. The wound caused by the bite began to fester and produced such a horrible smell that the others could no bear it. On Odysseus' advice and at the order of the Atreidae, he was left behind on the island of Lemnos, where he spent ten long years in sufferance and loneliness.
However, because an oracle had prophesied that Troy could not be taken without the aid of Heracles' never missing arrows, Odysseus and Neoptolemus were send back to Lemnos to fetch Philoctetes. When they returned at Troy, Philoctetes' wound was healed by Asclepius (or Machaon). By killing Paris, Philoctetes accelerated the downfall of Troy.

According to some sources, he went to Italy on the return voyage from Troy, where he founded Brutti in Petelia (Strongoli). His person is the subject of tragedies by Aeschylus, Sophocles, and Euripides.

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wow..you know your stuff aswell..lol


thats funny..i live in brisbane aswell
logan

Well, if you notice, that was most likely copy and pasted b/c I don't think someone would just put all the "---" and the "print article, send comment, blah, blah, blah" at the end. Mine was straight from my head the day before our 2nd midterm exam.

Vanya_Elda said:

Okay, it's storytime! lol However, this story will contain many spoilers so....

YOU








HAVE








BEEN








WARNED!







SPOILERS OF THE MOST FAMOUS GREEK STORY LIE AHEAD!




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Okay, I think that's enough warning, lol... Anyways...


Let's begin the story first with the seduction of Leda and the birth of Helen....

Leda, wife of the Spartan King Tyndareus, was seduced by the almighty god Zeus in the form of a swan. That same night, she also slept with her husband. After the nine months, Clytemnestra and Castor (the daughter and son of Tyndareus) were born and the eggs that contained Polydeuces and Helen (son and daughter of Zeus) were laid. Castor and Polydeuces are later known as the Disocuri. One variation is that Helen is actually the daughter of Nemesis, in bird form, and was given to Leda while still in her egg. When hatched, it is discovered that Helen is the most beautiful girl to ever live. As she grows up, Tyndareus begins to realize how much trouble it is going to be to wed his daughter Helen seeing as all the greatest and strongest suitors to ever exist start to show up in hopes of recieving her. The suitors begin to demand that Tyndareus choose, but he is worried - what if he chooses someone and the rest of the suitors get angry and kill that suitor or kill Tyndareus himself? The wise Odysseus, though, realizes what is going on and brings a solution to Tyndareus. Odysseus tells Tyndareus to have all the suitors come to an agreement that: 1)Whoever is chosen will accept. 2)If anyone ever tries to harm the chosen suitor and Helen or disrupt their marriage then all the suitors will ban together and fight for the suitor and Helen. Tyndareus says okay, and the only thing that Odysseus asks in return is Penelope's hand in marriage (since he knows he will not be chosen b/c there are much better suitors) and Tyndareus grants this. All the suitors agree to the terms and finally Menelaus, son of Arteus the king of Mycenae, is chosen to wed Helen and Clytemnestra is given to his brother Agamemnon. Menelaus becomes the king of Sparta, Agamemnon the king of Mycenae, and all live happily ever after...well, for a little while anyway...

Now let's shift gears and learn why Paris got into the middle of this....

Thetis, daughter of Zeus, is a water nymph and is told that she will have a son which will be greater than his father - so all the male Gods avoid her. Eventually, Zeus gives up and decides to allow a mortal to wed her. Peleus is chosen, but he must prove himself first by wrestling Thetis and holding her down - which he does. The grandest wedding, next to Zeus and Hera's, is planned. All the gods and goddesses are invited - except for the goddess Eris - 'Strife'. Eris becomes angry (in other variations she is provoked by Zeus) and then tosses a golden apple into the wedding party with an attached tag that says: "For the most beautiful." Hera, Aphrodite, and Athena all immediately claim ownership. After arguing for a while, they demand that Zeus decide. Well, he wants nothing to do with it, of course, so he tells them to have the mortal Paris decide. They each go to him and bribe him in a different way: Hera-promises splendid marriage, Athena-promises splendid military career, Aphrodite-promises the most beautiful woman (Helen).

Now a bit about Paris....

Paris was one of the many sons of Priam (King of Troy) and Hecabe and the brother to Hektor, Cassandra, and others, but it was prophesized before he was born (Hecabe had a dream) that he would bring destruction to the kingdom of Troy. So, when he was born, he was exposed - this how someone in that time would get rid of a child by laying the child out in the open wilderness somewhere and leaving them. The baby Paris is spotted by a shepard who takes into the mountains to raise him where he grows up never really knowing what being around a female is like.

Back to the wedding and the judgement of Paris....

Paris immediately claims that Aphrodite is the most beautiful - which thoroughly ticks off the other goddesses - and Aphrodite tells him that he may have Helen - this is of course without the consent of Menelaus. The wedding then ends and later Thetis and Peleus have a son, the one that is to be much greater than his father, Achilleus.

Finally, Paris comes to claim Helen...

Paris travels to Sparta and is greeted warmly by Menelaus and is shown good xenia - the "guest-host" relationship that is protected by Zeus. In all this time, Helen and Menelaus have been wed and have had a daughter Hermione (Now, isn't that name kinda familiar, HP fans? ). Menelaus must travel to Crete for an extended journey and leaves Helen in charge. After he leaves, Helen and Paris have an affair and decide to leave for Troy (it's not really clear whether Helen was willing or not). They leave for Troy leaving Hermione behind, and take a lot Menelaus's riches with them. When they arrive in Troy, Cassandra immediately protests - she has been given the gift of foresight by Apollo, but when she refused to sleep with him afterwards Apollo made it so that she would always see the true future but no one would believe her - but her parents ignore her and accept Paris and Helen into the city. Menelaus meanwhile arrives back in Sparta, discovers what has happened and immediately calls the oath of the suitors in to effect.

Blah, blah, blah later you have the Trojan War. Whew, that was a lot, but I think I explained it well or I at least hope I did...I've been typing for like an hour too, lol. Was a good refresher though...

Anyways, next question??? lol

I love the Weasley Family!!!!


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Vanya_Elda said:

Okay, it's storytime! lol However, this story will contain many spoilers so....

YOU








HAVE








BEEN








WARNED!







SPOILERS OF THE MOST FAMOUS GREEK STORY LIE AHEAD!




............




Okay, I think that's enough warning, lol... Anyways...


Let's begin the story first with the seduction of Leda and the birth of Helen....

Leda, wife of the Spartan King Tyndareus, was seduced by the almighty god Zeus in the form of a swan. That same night, she also slept with her husband. After the nine months, Clytemnestra and Castor (the daughter and son of Tyndareus) were born and the eggs that contained Polydeuces and Helen (son and daughter of Zeus) were laid. Castor and Polydeuces are later known as the Disocuri. One variation is that Helen is actually the daughter of Nemesis, in bird form, and was given to Leda while still in her egg. When hatched, it is discovered that Helen is the most beautiful girl to ever live. As she grows up, Tyndareus begins to realize how much trouble it is going to be to wed his daughter Helen seeing as all the greatest and strongest suitors to ever exist start to show up in hopes of recieving her. The suitors begin to demand that Tyndareus choose, but he is worried - what if he chooses someone and the rest of the suitors get angry and kill that suitor or kill Tyndareus himself? The wise Odysseus, though, realizes what is going on and brings a solution to Tyndareus. Odysseus tells Tyndareus to have all the suitors come to an agreement that: 1)Whoever is chosen will accept. 2)If anyone ever tries to harm the chosen suitor and Helen or disrupt their marriage then all the suitors will ban together and fight for the suitor and Helen. Tyndareus says okay, and the only thing that Odysseus asks in return is Penelope's hand in marriage (since he knows he will not be chosen b/c there are much better suitors) and Tyndareus grants this. All the suitors agree to the terms and finally Menelaus, son of Arteus the king of Mycenae, is chosen to wed Helen and Clytemnestra is given to his brother Agamemnon. Menelaus becomes the king of Sparta, Agamemnon the king of Mycenae, and all live happily ever after...well, for a little while anyway...

Now let's shift gears and learn why Paris got into the middle of this....

Thetis, daughter of Zeus, is a water nymph and is told that she will have a son which will be greater than his father - so all the male Gods avoid her. Eventually, Zeus gives up and decides to allow a mortal to wed her. Peleus is chosen, but he must prove himself first by wrestling Thetis and holding her down - which he does. The grandest wedding, next to Zeus and Hera's, is planned. All the gods and goddesses are invited - except for the goddess Eris - 'Strife'. Eris becomes angry (in other variations she is provoked by Zeus) and then tosses a golden apple into the wedding party with an attached tag that says: "For the most beautiful." Hera, Aphrodite, and Athena all immediately claim ownership. After arguing for a while, they demand that Zeus decide. Well, he wants nothing to do with it, of course, so he tells them to have the mortal Paris decide. They each go to him and bribe him in a different way: Hera-promises splendid marriage, Athena-promises splendid military career, Aphrodite-promises the most beautiful woman (Helen).

Now a bit about Paris....

Paris was one of the many sons of Priam (King of Troy) and Hecabe and the brother to Hektor, Cassandra, and others, but it was prophesized before he was born (Hecabe had a dream) that he would bring destruction to the kingdom of Troy. So, when he was born, he was exposed - this how someone in that time would get rid of a child by laying the child out in the open wilderness somewhere and leaving them. The baby Paris is spotted by a shepard who takes into the mountains to raise him where he grows up never really knowing what being around a female is like.

Back to the wedding and the judgement of Paris....

Paris immediately claims that Aphrodite is the most beautiful - which thoroughly ticks off the other goddesses - and Aphrodite tells him that he may have Helen - this is of course without the consent of Menelaus. The wedding then ends and later Thetis and Peleus have a son, the one that is to be much greater than his father, Achilleus.

Finally, Paris comes to claim Helen...

Paris travels to Sparta and is greeted warmly by Menelaus and is shown good xenia - the "guest-host" relationship that is protected by Zeus. In all this time, Helen and Menelaus have been wed and have had a daughter Hermione (Now, isn't that name kinda familiar, HP fans? ). Menelaus must travel to Crete for an extended journey and leaves Helen in charge. After he leaves, Helen and Paris have an affair and decide to leave for Troy (it's not really clear whether Helen was willing or not). They leave for Troy leaving Hermione behind, and take a lot Menelaus's riches with them. When they arrive in Troy, Cassandra immediately protests - she has been given the gift of foresight by Apollo, but when she refused to sleep with him afterwards Apollo made it so that she would always see the true future but no one would believe her - but her parents ignore her and accept Paris and Helen into the city. Menelaus meanwhile arrives back in Sparta, discovers what has happened and immediately calls the oath of the suitors in to effect.

Blah, blah, blah later you have the Trojan War. Whew, that was a lot, but I think I explained it well or I at least hope I did...I've been typing for like an hour too, lol. Was a good refresher though...

Anyways, next question??? lol

Cosmo_Kramer said:

i have got to go to the libary tomorrow

im fealing so left behind on this

is there a good archilles picture book out there

Vanya_Elda said:

Thanks, mickey! Yes, long live the classics!

Cosmo_Kramer said:

oh cool....i am just trying to work out the name of that seige..the one involving that wooden horse

i once saw a movie with that in it...they went to fight them and lost and all the remaining soldiers went out into the desert and built that horse and came back and then they pulled up outside of the castle and one of the men went out and knocked on the door and then i totaly forget what happens..after that all the men in the horse come out and hell brakes loose

Ailsa said:

One thing that TOTALLY confuses me about Achilles I want to ask here, since you guys seem really smart: If Achilles is only vulnerable through the heel, why does he even bother to wear armor? Like the one Hephaestus made for him? Cant he run around naked with an iron shoe?