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| Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King |
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| POSTED Wednesday, January 05, 2005 02:17:31 PM |
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Vanya_Elda said: Squee!!! That pic which shows the script with a few lines for "sauron the fair", those are lines from the song "Use well the days"--another song that Annie Lennox sings that was cut from the film! Go to my xanga if you want to hear it (it plays as the background music): www.xanga.com/vanya_elda
Well, it at least made me all excited for some reason...
ooh, that's so interesting! I've never heard of that song before, but just listened to it and absolutely loved it! I know this is a bit off the topic of the thread, but where exactly did you find that song?
Thanks so much, Rostron, I think that site will provide me with hours of goodie fun... At least it will supply me with my lotr fix until I get to watch the EE...
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"I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something; and because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do something I can do."
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| REPLIED Thursday, January 13, 2005 08:42:50 AM |
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| REPLIED Friday , January 14, 2005 11:35:18 AM |
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Durbatuluk said: ichi said: They are all genuine Rost, and all to be found in the hours of extras on the DVD.
The rumour of aragorn fighting sauron was true to a point, it got cut early on but the idea wasn't all that bad. Sauron appearing in his maiar form as Sauron the Deciever before changing back to the form from the prologue. It was right to cut it though. They pasted the big orc/troll over the top of what was sauron for the final scene.
Of course it was right to cut it. He can no longer use that form. After the Fall of Numenor he "...was robbed now of that shape in which he had wrought so great an evil, so that he could never again appear fair to the eyes of Men..."
*knocks down durb's tower, been a while*
Can't argue with that, but if it had been forced upon us, I would have appreciated the nod to his previous form, which would have softened the blow a bit. All Peter Jackson has to decide, is what to cut in the time that is given to him
"At last the companions turned away, and never again looking back they rode slowly homewards; and they spoke no word to one another... but each had great comfort in his friends on the long grey road."
"After all it wouldn't do, would it, to give away any details of the plot of the most-read book of the twentieth century!" - Ian McKellen
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| REPLIED Friday , January 14, 2005 12:00:01 PM |
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Unicorn said: Yes, but somewhere I heard that it was Legolas seeing the fair form, so technically it wouldn't be "in the eyes of Men".
Nevertheless, is it really changing form? And does Tolkien specify between physical and "spirit" form? If he were just projecting an image of his old self in front of his amour self, then dissolving the image, it's not really changing form.
I thought of that too because the caption on the guys site for the close-up frame says "Sauron as the elfes see him." But there are also frames that say Aragorn becomes entranced by the image and begins to walk forward.
Besides, despite the fact that the line does specifically say man, I like to think that he can never assume that shape again, for any of the races of Middle-Earth.
And I think even just projecting the image would not be possible. After all what would prevent him from projecting the image while remaining noncorporeal? Wouldn't that decieve men just as well? "...And lo, all the Land was covered in darkness and the Earth was overrun by the fell armies of the Dark Lord Durbatuluk."
-Excerpt from The Book of Legends
All Hope Abandon, Ye Who Enter Here
-Dante's Inferno
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I don't have the book handy, but Tolkien himself described Sauron's physical form in the Third Age in his "letters". Now to find the actual passage.
There's also the description by Gollum, who, well might not be the best one to "judge appearances"
The real question is whether this was a mental projection, such as would be seen in the Palantir, or a physical one.
Here's Tolkien's thoughts on that: Letter 200:
It is mythologically supposed that when this shape was 'real', that is a physical actuality in the physical world and not a vision transferred from mind to mind, it took some time to build up. It was then destructible like other physical organisms. ... After the battle with Gilgalad and Elendil, Sauron took a long while to re-build, longer than he had done after the Downfall of Numenor...
OK, and a little more...from Letter 246
He discusses what might happen in a battle between a Ringwielder...
"... in a tale which allows the incarnation of great spirits in a physical and destructible form their power must be far greater when actually physically present. ... The form that he took was that of a man of more than human stature, but not gigantic."
So I guess PJ may have thought it was
theoretically possible for Sauron to have taken a physical form.
However, I'm glad they ditched the idea, if only because it places a lot of importance on Aragorn, rather than the hobbit's brave journey.
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