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Spider-Man 4s Lone Villain is The Lizard?
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It is safe to assume that the plot details and casting for Sonys upcoming comic adventure Spider-Man 4 will not be kept secret for too much longer, as the films principal shoot is right around the corner. But were remaining skeptical as the rumor-mill keeps churning. Today, the fine folks at MarketSaw claim that theyve got the scoop on Spideys upcoming foes, er, foe.

Per their report, a production insider has confirmed that the fourth film in the Spider-Man franchise will only have one villain, and that it will be The Lizard. Last week, UGO reported that actor Dylan Baker, who previously played Dr. Curt Connors (who notoriously becomes The Lizard), has gotten a call from Sam Raimi about the project. So logic points to this rumor possibly being true. For now, were remaining skeptical until we get something official from the folks at Sony. That said, the prospect of a lean, focused Spider-Man film with a single villain is enticing.

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I love the Lizard, but him by himself would really just be 1 and 2 all over again. I don't know, we'll see.

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I love the Lizard, but him by himself would really just be 1 and 2 all over again. I don't know, we'll see.


And 1 & 2 were the best, so that would be just fine for me!


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I love the Lizard, but him by himself would really just be 1 and 2 all over again. I don't know, we'll see.


And 1 & 2 were the best, so that would be just fine for me!



So you really just want a carbon copy of 1 and 2? Then again that's all Sam Raimi can do anyway as much as I like him. I mean Evil Dead 2 is pretty much a carbon copy of Evil Dead 1

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rocco2216 said:

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I love the Lizard, but him by himself would really just be 1 and 2 all over again. I don't know, we'll see.


And 1 & 2 were the best, so that would be just fine for me!



So you really just want a carbon copy of 1 and 2? Then again that's all Sam Raimi can do anyway as much as I like him. I mean Evil Dead 2 is pretty much a carbon copy of Evil Dead 1


How you get that i don't know, 1 & 2 had different villains and different stories how you can consider them as carbon copies is beyond me and who cares about Evil Dead 1 & 2 there were both great either way. And did you not see Drag me to hell? I suppose that a carbon copy as well? Overloading spiderman with villains is going to do the same thing it did to 3, it will screw it up and probably make 3 look even better.


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pshyco2004 said:

rocco2216 said:

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rocco2216 said:

I love the Lizard, but him by himself would really just be 1 and 2 all over again. I don't know, we'll see.


And 1 & 2 were the best, so that would be just fine for me!



So you really just want a carbon copy of 1 and 2? Then again that's all Sam Raimi can do anyway as much as I like him. I mean Evil Dead 2 is pretty much a carbon copy of Evil Dead 1


How you get that i don't know, 1 & 2 had different villains and different stories how you can consider them as carbon copies is beyond me and who cares about Evil Dead 1 & 2 there were both great either way. And did you not see Drag me to hell? I suppose that a carbon copy as well? Overloading spiderman with villains is going to do the same thing it did to 3, it will screw it up and probably make 3 look even better.


exacly. at most, and this might be pushing it, they should have at most 2 villians. any more get to chaotic and confusing, no matter what the story.


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pshyco2004 said:

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rocco2216 said:

I love the Lizard, but him by himself would really just be 1 and 2 all over again. I don't know, we'll see.


And 1 & 2 were the best, so that would be just fine for me!



So you really just want a carbon copy of 1 and 2? Then again that's all Sam Raimi can do anyway as much as I like him. I mean Evil Dead 2 is pretty much a carbon copy of Evil Dead 1


How you get that i don't know, 1 & 2 had different villains and different stories how you can consider them as carbon copies is beyond me and who cares about Evil Dead 1 & 2 there were both great either way. And did you not see Drag me to hell? I suppose that a carbon copy as well? Overloading spiderman with villains is going to do the same thing it did to 3, it will screw it up and probably make 3 look even better.



I'm not saying Drag Me To Hell was cause that wasn't. I'm not saying there should be 3 villains or even 2, just the Lizard by himself is not enough after what 1, 2, and 3 did. Mary Jane will get kidnapped again and it's another scientist gone bad.

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yeah very few movies were able to get away with multiple villians, unless they are a team


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rocco2216 said:

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rocco2216 said:

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rocco2216 said:

I love the Lizard, but him by himself would really just be 1 and 2 all over again. I don't know, we'll see.


And 1 & 2 were the best, so that would be just fine for me!





So you really just want a carbon copy of 1 and 2? Then again that's all Sam Raimi can do anyway as much as I like him. I mean Evil Dead 2 is pretty much a carbon copy of Evil Dead 1


How you get that i don't know, 1 & 2 had different villains and different stories how you can consider them as carbon copies is beyond me and who cares about Evil Dead 1 & 2 there were both great either way. And did you not see Drag me to hell? I suppose that a carbon copy as well? Overloading spiderman with villains is going to do the same thing it did to 3, it will screw it up and probably make 3 look even better.



I'm not saying Drag Me To Hell was cause that wasn't. I'm not saying there should be 3 villains or even 2, just the Lizard by himself is not enough after what 1, 2, and 3 did. Mary Jane will get kidnapped again and it's another scientist gone bad.


Yeah but from everything that i have heard thus far this will tie into the venom spin off which will tie into spiderman 5 and 6 so highly doubt out of all this the lizzard is all we will get in 4 im sure there going to have a side villain, we shall see.


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pshyco2004 said:

rocco2216 said:

pshyco2004 said:

rocco2216 said:

pshyco2004 said:

rocco2216 said:

I love the Lizard, but him by himself would really just be 1 and 2 all over again. I don't know, we'll see.


And 1 & 2 were the best, so that would be just fine for me!





So you really just want a carbon copy of 1 and 2? Then again that's all Sam Raimi can do anyway as much as I like him. I mean Evil Dead 2 is pretty much a carbon copy of Evil Dead 1


How you get that i don't know, 1 & 2 had different villains and different stories how you can consider them as carbon copies is beyond me and who cares about Evil Dead 1 & 2 there were both great either way. And did you not see Drag me to hell? I suppose that a carbon copy as well? Overloading spiderman with villains is going to do the same thing it did to 3, it will screw it up and probably make 3 look even better.



I'm not saying Drag Me To Hell was cause that wasn't. I'm not saying there should be 3 villains or even 2, just the Lizard by himself is not enough after what 1, 2, and 3 did. Mary Jane will get kidnapped again and it's another scientist gone bad.


Yeah but from everything that i have heard thus far this will tie into the venom spin off which will tie into spiderman 5 and 6 so highly doubt out of all this the lizzard is all we will get in 4 im sure there going to have a side villain, we shall see.



Exactly, all those rewrites and their conclusion is just the Lizard? Naw, I'm not buying it.

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And 1 & 2 were the best, so that would be just fine for me!




AMEN. I think after having too many villians in part 3, it best to go back with using less villians. But if they use Kraven too, I'm fine with that. Right now, I just want Lizard alone.


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I think they are going to have the symbiot become a secondary villain again, or at least show how it escapes which would tie in to the Venom movie with Brock Sr. Lizard being the only one? Also not buying it.


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If Lizard is the only villain, imagine the battles we're going to see... Spider-man will be fighting for his life. His agility and reflexes against a killing lizard who takes no mercy? What more can you ask for in a fight scene!
As for other villains, I can see Sam giving us little tastes of oh say, Electro... maybe Vulture, maybe show how Sandman is no longer in the crime business... then have Bruce Campbell making a Mysterio suit for himself... I don't know but I think it would be cool if we saw Sam wanting to build up for the Sinister Six...

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Spider-Man 4s Lone Villain is The Lizard?
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It is safe to assume that the plot details and casting for Sonys upcoming comic adventure Spider-Man 4 will not be kept secret for too much longer, as the films principal shoot is right around the corner. But were remaining skeptical as the rumor-mill keeps churning. Today, the fine folks at MarketSaw claim that theyve got the scoop on Spideys upcoming foes, er, foe.

Per their report, a production insider has confirmed that the fourth film in the Spider-Man franchise will only have one villain, and that it will be The Lizard. Last week, UGO reported that actor Dylan Baker, who previously played Dr. Curt Connors (who notoriously becomes The Lizard), has gotten a call from Sam Raimi about the project. So logic points to this rumor possibly being true. For now, were remaining skeptical until we get something official from the folks at Sony. That said, the prospect of a lean, focused Spider-Man film with a single villain is enticing.



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rocco2216 said:

I love the Lizard, but him by himself would really just be 1 and 2 all over again. I don't know, we'll see.


Well with david lindsay script having the lizard its no wonder. I was a little worried there that gary ross would not only change the story but, change the villian. I just hope that they dont use the hobgoblin crap for the end. I still say that they should add kraven into the mix but, we will have to wait until the official word comes out. So much for that source from IMDB lol, please listen to reason next time silly.






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While I'm very pleased that Lizard is the only main villain, I would support a cameo appearance or something like a huge disaster for us to see before Lizard is let loose.


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rocco2216 said:

Spider-Man 4s Lone Villain is The Lizard?
Posted by Neil Miller (neil@filmschoolrejects.c
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It is safe to assume that the plot details and casting for Sonys upcoming comic adventure Spider-Man 4 will not be kept secret for too much longer, as the films principal shoot is right around the corner. But were remaining skeptical as the rumor-mill keeps churning. Today, the fine folks at MarketSaw claim that theyve got the scoop on Spideys upcoming foes, er, foe.

Per their report, a production insider has confirmed that the fourth film in the Spider-Man franchise will only have one villain, and that it will be The Lizard. Last week, UGO reported that actor Dylan Baker, who previously played Dr. Curt Connors (who notoriously becomes The Lizard), has gotten a call from Sam Raimi about the project. So logic points to this rumor possibly being true. For now, were remaining skeptical until we get something official from the folks at Sony. That said, the prospect of a lean, focused Spider-Man film with a single villain is enticing.



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Yeah it seems that way, but how credible is MarketSaw.com? I hope they're is at least a minor villain.

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rocco2216 said:

I love the Lizard, but him by himself would really just be 1 and 2 all over again. I don't know, we'll see.


Well with david lindsay script having the lizard its no wonder. I was a little worried there that gary ross would not only change the story but, change the villian. I just hope that they dont use the hobgoblin crap for the end. I still say that they should add kraven into the mix but, we will have to wait until the official word comes out. So much for that source from IMDB lol, please listen to reason next time silly.



Yeah I wonder too if Roderick Kingsley will be sort of an antagonist/villain. He makes sense since they need someone to take over Oscorp since Norman and Harry are dead ha ha.

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rocco2216 said:

IcEXMaNuSa said:

rocco2216 said:

I love the Lizard, but him by himself would really just be 1 and 2 all over again. I don't know, we'll see.


Well with david lindsay script having the lizard its no wonder. I was a little worried there that gary ross would not only change the story but, change the villian. I just hope that they dont use the hobgoblin crap for the end. I still say that they should add kraven into the mix but, we will have to wait until the official word comes out. So much for that source from IMDB lol, please listen to reason next time silly.



Yeah I wonder too if Roderick Kingsley will be sort of an antagonist/villain. He makes sense since they need someone to take over Oscorp since Norman and Harry are dead ha ha.


who says they died lol ? We all know that the goblin formula brought them back. they are alive and well in the comics today and norman is the #1 villain towards all heroes right now. wouldnt
be surpised if they brought them back but thats way too soon.






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IcEXMaNuSa said:

rocco2216 said:

IcEXMaNuSa said:

rocco2216 said:

I love the Lizard, but him by himself would really just be 1 and 2 all over again. I don't know, we'll see.


Well with david lindsay script having the lizard its no wonder. I was a little worried there that gary ross would not only change the story but, change the villian. I just hope that they dont use the hobgoblin crap for the end. I still say that they should add kraven into the mix but, we will have to wait until the official word comes out. So much for that source from IMDB lol, please listen to reason next time silly.



Yeah I wonder too if Roderick Kingsley will be sort of an antagonist/villain. He makes sense since they need someone to take over Oscorp since Norman and Harry are dead ha ha.


who says they died lol ? We all know that the goblin formula brought them back. they are alive and well in the comics today and norman is the #1 villain towards all heroes right now. wouldnt
be surpised if they brought them back but thats way too soon.



Not everything that happened in the comics should happen in the movies lol. Not everything in the comics is great. Some are shitty.

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rocco2216 said:

IcEXMaNuSa said:

rocco2216 said:

IcEXMaNuSa said:

rocco2216 said:

I love the Lizard, but him by himself would really just be 1 and 2 all over again. I don't know, we'll see.


Well with david lindsay script having the lizard its no wonder. I was a little worried there that gary ross would not only change the story but, change the villian. I just hope that they dont use the hobgoblin crap for the end. I still say that they should add kraven into the mix but, we will have to wait until the official word comes out. So much for that source from IMDB lol, please listen to reason next time silly.



Yeah I wonder too if Roderick Kingsley will be sort of an antagonist/villain. He makes sense since they need someone to take over Oscorp since Norman and Harry are dead ha ha.


who says they died lol ? We all know that the goblin formula brought them back. they are alive and well in the comics today and norman is the #1 villain towards all heroes right now. wouldnt
be surpised if they brought them back but thats way too soon.



Not everything that happened in the comics should happen in the movies lol. Not everything in the comics is great. Some are shitty.


jean grey... dark phoenix... x-men last stand lol it can happen lol daredevil... elektra spin off i can keep going but its pointless... dont ever count a character out as being dead and avi arad stated that the same goes for the films... wait a minute i forgot to mention venom lol






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rocco2216 said:

IcEXMaNuSa said:

rocco2216 said:

IcEXMaNuSa said:

rocco2216 said:

I love the Lizard, but him by himself would really just be 1 and 2 all over again. I don't know, we'll see.


Well with david lindsay script having the lizard its no wonder. I was a little worried there that gary ross would not only change the story but, change the villian. I just hope that they dont use the hobgoblin crap for the end. I still say that they should add kraven into the mix but, we will have to wait until the official word comes out. So much for that source from IMDB lol, please listen to reason next time silly.



Yeah I wonder too if Roderick Kingsley will be sort of an antagonist/villain. He makes sense since they need someone to take over Oscorp since Norman and Harry are dead ha ha.


who says they died lol ? We all know that the goblin formula brought them back. they are alive and well in the comics today and norman is the #1 villain towards all heroes right now. wouldnt
be surpised if they brought them back but thats way too soon.



Not everything that happened in the comics should happen in the movies lol. Not everything in the comics is great. Some are shitty.


jean grey... dark phoenix... x-men last stand lol it can happen lol daredevil... elektra spin off i can keep going but its pointless... dont ever count a character out as being dead and avi arad stated that the same goes for the films... wait a minute i forgot to mention venom lol



Well yeah, it can happen. That doesn't mean it will or should. And that Venom from Spider-Man 3 isn't dead. Infamous_Emijayne already said this. They're rebooting the character sort of speak according to her. It won't be Eddie Brock Jr.

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Jean Grey and Elektra never died. They made it clear at the end of X-Men 2 that Jean Grey was alive with that Phoenix tease. Xavier said she was in a telkinetic cocoon so she never died. Elektra never died cause when the cops went to where her body was supposed to be, it wasn't there.

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I really wonder what Infamous_Emijayne's source is hearing.

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Jean Grey and Elektra never died. They made it clear at the end of X-Men 2 that Jean Grey was alive with that Phoenix tease. Xavier said she was in a telkinetic cocoon so she never died. Elektra never died cause when the cops went to where her body was supposed to be, it wasn't there.


you have to understand that not EVERY ONE is a comic book fan. I know alot of people who were confused when jean grey came back when standing on line for x-men 3. They just didnt get it. It had to be explained to them. It's also like how some people think that chris nolans batman is a continuation of the other batman films ( i mean how dumb can u be really lol ) and that the real killer of bruce waynes parents is the joker thanks to tim burton. You have no idea on how many times I had to smack my face but, we all know that comic book fans stand by the truth. I know that when the harry potter films came out, things had to be explained to me and the same with twlight. So not everyone has an idea about what happens next because they arent familair with the sources.






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rocco2216 said:

Jean Grey and Elektra never died. They made it clear at the end of X-Men 2 that Jean Grey was alive with that Phoenix tease. Xavier said she was in a telkinetic cocoon so she never died. Elektra never died cause when the cops went to where her body was supposed to be, it wasn't there.


you have to understand that not EVERY ONE is a comic book fan. I know alot of people who were confused when jean grey came back when standing on line for x-men 3. They just didnt get it. It had to be explained to them. It's also like how some people think that chris nolans batman is a continuation of the other batman films ( i mean how dumb can u be really lol ) and that the real killer of bruce waynes parents is the joker thanks to tim burton. You have no idea on how many times I had to smack my face but, we all know that comic book fans stand by the truth. I know that when the harry potter films came out, things had to be explained to me and the same with twlight. So not everyone has an idea about what happens next because they arent familair with the sources.



True, but my point is that that Venom from Spider-Man 3 is dead. Infamous_Emijayne said that it'll be a different character, a reboot of Venom sort of speak. I know it'll confuse the audience and probably fans but that's what Sony is doing.

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1. I could care less about a movie coming out in 2 years.
2. Lizard will have to be VERY scary and not a CGI lame-fest to keep everyone's attention because he is a pretty boring though classic, villain.





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To whoever it was towards the beginning of the thread that made the comment about Evil Dead 1 and 2 being almost the same movie: they're supposed to be. 1 is what Raimi made on a basically non-existant budget with a couple friends, and 2 is essentially the same thing with actual money to put into it and a studio behind it. I've never heard anything, within the movies or from people involved with them, that suggests they come one after the other.

As far as Lizard being the only villain: Like everyone else, I've been waiting to see them do something with him since 1, and I'm sure they can make him look great. I don't know that he can carry a movie by himself, though, and would really like to see them team him with Kraven. You know, a villain combo that actually makes (or can make) some kind of sense.

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True, but my point is that that Venom from Spider-Man 3 is dead. Infamous_Emijayne said that it'll be a different character, a reboot of Venom sort of speak. I know it'll confuse the audience and probably fans but that's what Sony is doing.
LOL sorry but your kind of gulible. Yes, Infamous Emijayne does have some credible sources, but your taking it like she IS the director and has the final say. Everything she feeds to you you believe it on the spot. If she told you the color green is actually red, i think you'd be preaching it.

Take it from me, WAIT until OFFICIAL news comes out and not believe RUMORS.


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Take it from me, WAIT until OFFICIAL news comes out and not believe RUMORS.




Got to agree with you for once on this. I never believe in people who said they have their source, with how this is the Internet & it's easy to spread lies or rumors here. Some will even claim they got their source from something, when in reality they stole it from a different website that report it first & claim it as their own.


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rocco2216 said:

IcEXMaNuSa said:

rocco2216 said:

Jean Grey and Elektra never died. They made it clear at the end of X-Men 2 that Jean Grey was alive with that Phoenix tease. Xavier said she was in a telkinetic cocoon so she never died. Elektra never died cause when the cops went to where her body was supposed to be, it wasn't there.


you have to understand that not EVERY ONE is a comic book fan. I know alot of people who were confused when jean grey came back when standing on line for x-men 3. They just didnt get it. It had to be explained to them. It's also like how some people think that chris nolans batman is a continuation of the other batman films ( i mean how dumb can u be really lol ) and that the real killer of bruce waynes parents is the joker thanks to tim burton. You have no idea on how many times I had to smack my face but, we all know that comic book fans stand by the truth. I know that when the harry potter films came out, things had to be explained to me and the same with twlight. So not everyone has an idea about what happens next because they arent familair with the sources.



True, but my point is that that Venom from Spider-Man 3 is dead. Infamous_Emijayne said that it'll be a different character, a reboot of Venom sort of speak. I know it'll confuse the audience and probably fans but that's what Sony is doing.


I have respect for her and she did say that they would use eddie brock sr for revenge but I still havent heard on whether this venom would have anything to do with the third film or ignore it. Right now with the recent news, it seems more like the venom from the recent spider-man films. With gary ross doing the script for spiderman 4 and venom, it doesent seem likely that they will drift from the series especially if they arent telling us if spidey will make an appearence which is a dead giveaway that he wont. No spidey in venom film equals continuation from the third spidey film and not a reboot but, we will have to wait for the official word.






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