rocco2216 said:

"I love the Lizard," said Raimi. "There's a great story there in the Marvel comic books about Dr. Connors. I'm less familiar with Carnage."

Raimi then took a long pause. "I'm not allowed to say at this point," he confessed.

Spilling the identity of the villain months before the film's prospective March shoot date was a little too much to hope for. But Raimi was keen to illuminate his thought process regarding how and why he and his creative team select a specific villain. As he explained, it has less to do with the mention of a particular villain in an earlier film (as is the case with the Lizard) or about connecting the fourth film to another planned Marvel adaptation (see Carnage in "Venom").

Rather, the choice of a villain comes down to what makes most sense for the arc of Peter Parker's character. And with screenwriter Gary Ross still working on a draft of the script, everything is still very much in flux.

"What we're trying to do right now is really understand the journey Peter is going to go on this time and have the villain maybe be a counter to that growth, something that he has to overcome," Raimi said. "Or maybe he has to grow in a way to overcome the villain, because there always seem to be stories of coming of age, of a young man growing up and learning things about life, so once we are identifying the exact movement that Peter has to grow to, I think the villainand we're trying this right now; we're trying to choose a villain based on who would be the proper counter to that growth, so we really have dramatic conflict."

So, while Raimi didn't drop any specific names, we did get a chance to whisper in his ear about who fans hope will fight Spidey when the movie hits theaters in 2011. And as Raimi himself said, he liked what he heard.

"Everyone your readersthe guys who check out your websitementioned are excellent characters," the director declared.

IcEXMaNuSa said:

rocco2216 said:

"I love the Lizard," said Raimi. "There's a great story there in the Marvel comic books about Dr. Connors. I'm less familiar with Carnage."

Raimi then took a long pause. "I'm not allowed to say at this point," he confessed.

Spilling the identity of the villain months before the film's prospective March shoot date was a little too much to hope for. But Raimi was keen to illuminate his thought process regarding how and why he and his creative team select a specific villain. As he explained, it has less to do with the mention of a particular villain in an earlier film (as is the case with the Lizard) or about connecting the fourth film to another planned Marvel adaptation (see Carnage in "Venom").

Rather, the choice of a villain comes down to what makes most sense for the arc of Peter Parker's character. And with screenwriter Gary Ross still working on a draft of the script, everything is still very much in flux.

"What we're trying to do right now is really understand the journey Peter is going to go on this time and have the villain maybe be a counter to that growth, something that he has to overcome," Raimi said. "Or maybe he has to grow in a way to overcome the villain, because there always seem to be stories of coming of age, of a young man growing up and learning things about life, so once we are identifying the exact movement that Peter has to grow to, I think the villainand we're trying this right now; we're trying to choose a villain based on who would be the proper counter to that growth, so we really have dramatic conflict."

So, while Raimi didn't drop any specific names, we did get a chance to whisper in his ear about who fans hope will fight Spidey when the movie hits theaters in 2011. And as Raimi himself said, he liked what he heard.

"Everyone your readersthe guys who check out your websitementioned are excellent characters," the director declared.

he totally gave away two things... lizard is a go... carnage is a NAY.

IcEXMaNuSa said:

rocco2216 said:

"I love the Lizard," said Raimi. "There's a great story there in the Marvel comic books about Dr. Connors. I'm less familiar with Carnage."

Raimi then took a long pause. "I'm not allowed to say at this point," he confessed.

Spilling the identity of the villain months before the film's prospective March shoot date was a little too much to hope for. But Raimi was keen to illuminate his thought process regarding how and why he and his creative team select a specific villain. As he explained, it has less to do with the mention of a particular villain in an earlier film (as is the case with the Lizard) or about connecting the fourth film to another planned Marvel adaptation (see Carnage in "Venom").

Rather, the choice of a villain comes down to what makes most sense for the arc of Peter Parker's character. And with screenwriter Gary Ross still working on a draft of the script, everything is still very much in flux.

"What we're trying to do right now is really understand the journey Peter is going to go on this time and have the villain maybe be a counter to that growth, something that he has to overcome," Raimi said. "Or maybe he has to grow in a way to overcome the villain, because there always seem to be stories of coming of age, of a young man growing up and learning things about life, so once we are identifying the exact movement that Peter has to grow to, I think the villainand we're trying this right now; we're trying to choose a villain based on who would be the proper counter to that growth, so we really have dramatic conflict."

So, while Raimi didn't drop any specific names, we did get a chance to whisper in his ear about who fans hope will fight Spidey when the movie hits theaters in 2011. And as Raimi himself said, he liked what he heard.

"Everyone your readersthe guys who check out your websitementioned are excellent characters," the director declared.

he totally gave away two things... lizard is a go... carnage is a NAY.

rocco2216 said:

IcEXMaNuSa said:

rocco2216 said:

"I love the Lizard," said Raimi. "There's a great story there in the Marvel comic books about Dr. Connors. I'm less familiar with Carnage."

Raimi then took a long pause. "I'm not allowed to say at this point," he confessed.

Spilling the identity of the villain months before the film's prospective March shoot date was a little too much to hope for. But Raimi was keen to illuminate his thought process regarding how and why he and his creative team select a specific villain. As he explained, it has less to do with the mention of a particular villain in an earlier film (as is the case with the Lizard) or about connecting the fourth film to another planned Marvel adaptation (see Carnage in "Venom").

Rather, the choice of a villain comes down to what makes most sense for the arc of Peter Parker's character. And with screenwriter Gary Ross still working on a draft of the script, everything is still very much in flux.

"What we're trying to do right now is really understand the journey Peter is going to go on this time and have the villain maybe be a counter to that growth, something that he has to overcome," Raimi said. "Or maybe he has to grow in a way to overcome the villain, because there always seem to be stories of coming of age, of a young man growing up and learning things about life, so once we are identifying the exact movement that Peter has to grow to, I think the villainand we're trying this right now; we're trying to choose a villain based on who would be the proper counter to that growth, so we really have dramatic conflict."

So, while Raimi didn't drop any specific names, we did get a chance to whisper in his ear about who fans hope will fight Spidey when the movie hits theaters in 2011. And as Raimi himself said, he liked what he heard.

"Everyone your readersthe guys who check out your websitementioned are excellent characters," the director declared.

he totally gave away two things... lizard is a go... carnage is a NAY.

And plus they're apparently saving Carnage for Spider-Man 5, according to Infamous_Emijayne.

IcEXMaNuSa said:

rocco2216 said:

IcEXMaNuSa said:

rocco2216 said:

"I love the Lizard," said Raimi. "There's a great story there in the Marvel comic books about Dr. Connors. I'm less familiar with Carnage."

Raimi then took a long pause. "I'm not allowed to say at this point," he confessed.

Spilling the identity of the villain months before the film's prospective March shoot date was a little too much to hope for. But Raimi was keen to illuminate his thought process regarding how and why he and his creative team select a specific villain. As he explained, it has less to do with the mention of a particular villain in an earlier film (as is the case with the Lizard) or about connecting the fourth film to another planned Marvel adaptation (see Carnage in "Venom").

Rather, the choice of a villain comes down to what makes most sense for the arc of Peter Parker's character. And with screenwriter Gary Ross still working on a draft of the script, everything is still very much in flux.

"What we're trying to do right now is really understand the journey Peter is going to go on this time and have the villain maybe be a counter to that growth, something that he has to overcome," Raimi said. "Or maybe he has to grow in a way to overcome the villain, because there always seem to be stories of coming of age, of a young man growing up and learning things about life, so once we are identifying the exact movement that Peter has to grow to, I think the villainand we're trying this right now; we're trying to choose a villain based on who would be the proper counter to that growth, so we really have dramatic conflict."

So, while Raimi didn't drop any specific names, we did get a chance to whisper in his ear about who fans hope will fight Spidey when the movie hits theaters in 2011. And as Raimi himself said, he liked what he heard.

"Everyone your readersthe guys who check out your websitementioned are excellent characters," the director declared.

he totally gave away two things... lizard is a go... carnage is a NAY.

And plus they're apparently saving Carnage for Spider-Man 5, according to Infamous_Emijayne.

not if sam raimi is on board... unless they reboot the franchise which wouldnt be titled spider-man 5 and 6. technically it would be spider-man begins and hopefully the sequel wont be the dark arachnid.

Crimson-X said:

OH GOD! LIZARD! YES PLEASE!!!! Raimi you should have however used him in the 3rd movie... but whatever.

IcEXMaNuSa said:

you see I tried telling everyone that the way that sam works is that he has the story first then picks the villian or villians last to fit the story but NO ONE LISTENS TO ME and thinks im full of it. Glad this article came out and proved that I was right on the money about it. No offense to anyone on here but a person can never get a break around here or anywhere else...

rocco2216 said:

IcEXMaNuSa said:

you see I tried telling everyone that the way that sam works is that he has the story first then picks the villian or villians last to fit the story but NO ONE LISTENS TO ME and thinks im full of it. Glad this article came out and proved that I was right on the money about it. No offense to anyone on here but a person can never get a break around here or anywhere else...

Yeah but dude, you can't have a story without characters picked. It doesn't work that way. Raimi says that all the time. It's obvious they had the Lizard picked to be a villain in 4 from the get go. In fact back in 2007 Grant Curtis, one of the producers, gave it away. Like C.S. Lewis for example had characters first and wrote a story around them. You can't have a story without characters chosen, a theme or themes maybe, but not a story.

IcEXMaNuSa said:

rocco2216 said:

IcEXMaNuSa said:

you see I tried telling everyone that the way that sam works is that he has the story first then picks the villian or villians last to fit the story but NO ONE LISTENS TO ME and thinks im full of it. Glad this article came out and proved that I was right on the money about it. No offense to anyone on here but a person can never get a break around here or anywhere else...

Yeah but dude, you can't have a story without characters picked. It doesn't work that way. Raimi says that all the time. It's obvious they had the Lizard picked to be a villain in 4 from the get go. In fact back in 2007 Grant Curtis, one of the producers, gave it away. Like C.S. Lewis for example had characters first and wrote a story around them. You can't have a story without characters chosen, a theme or themes maybe, but not a story.

ummm... didnt raimi just state in the article that he is working on which villian would best fit peters troubles for the fourth film lol So technically, there hasnt been a picked villian.


I think the villainand we're trying this right now; we're trying to choose a villain based on who would be the proper counter to that growth, so we really have dramatic conflict."

rocco2216 said:

Sandman was unofficially confirmed for Spider-Man 3 by Sam and Tobey back when Spider-Man 2 came out and before they even had a story/plot and even themes for Spider-Man 3

IcEXMaNuSa said:

rocco2216 said:

Sandman was unofficially confirmed for Spider-Man 3 by Sam and Tobey back when Spider-Man 2 came out and before they even had a story/plot and even themes for Spider-Man 3

I am just going by what he said to me personally lol. I had the weird confused look when he said that. I mean how is it that you pick the villians after the story is done ? Makes no sense and I dont know how he does it but it says it in the article above as well. I totally understand what your saying and I agree but thats what came out of his mouth during filming of spider-man 3.

rocco2216 said:

Infamous_Emijayne, I know you hate me asking you questions but when you said that Sony is connecting Spider-Man 4, the Venom spin-off, and Spider-Man 5 together, you didn't mention 6. What are they doing with Spider-Man 6 since James Vanderbilt is writing that at the same time as 5? Thanks again.

IcEXMaNuSa said:

rocco2216 said:

Infamous_Emijayne, I know you hate me asking you questions but when you said that Sony is connecting Spider-Man 4, the Venom spin-off, and Spider-Man 5 together, you didn't mention 6. What are they doing with Spider-Man 6 since James Vanderbilt is writing that at the same time as 5? Thanks again.

you know whats funny about that is that if sam does return dont expect carnage or venom to be involved.... Sam already hinted at no carnage because he has no interest in the character.

infamous_emijayne said:

IcEXMaNuSa said:

rocco2216 said:

Infamous_Emijayne, I know you hate me asking you questions but when you said that Sony is connecting Spider-Man 4, the Venom spin-off, and Spider-Man 5 together, you didn't mention 6. What are they doing with Spider-Man 6 since James Vanderbilt is writing that at the same time as 5? Thanks again.

you know whats funny about that is that if sam does return dont expect carnage or venom to be involved.... Sam already hinted at no carnage because he has no interest in the character.

Raimi will not be directing beyond SM4. He will switch to producing. Trust me on this. The Venom spinoff is a one shot deal with no sequels except being connected to SM5. Vanderbuilt is merely a failsafe. What he is writing would reboot the fanchise if needed. He's just rewriting the stories he already turned in. Because there are two, it's being reported as SM5 and SM6, but that is simply websites ASSUMING they are sequels when in reality they are not.

infamous_emijayne said:

Raimi will not be directing beyond SM4. He will switch to producing. Trust me on this.

rocco2216 said:

Hey Infamous_Emijayne and/or IceMan, someone in the Thor talkback on AICN.com who goes by the name of Michael_Jackson's_Ghost posted the following a few times:



Finally got more info!
by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost Oct 17th, 2009
05:11:17 PM
Here we go. So the subplot that will be hinting through IM2, Thor, Capt. America leading into the Avengers movie is that Top Secret Info has been stolen all over the world about the planet's defense, and will be revealed to be the start of a Skrull invasion ! So, The Avengers going against the Skrull to show why they are Earth's Mightest Heroes. In IM2 it will be revealed that the Ten Rings is a front to spread out the top countries armys so they are in a neverending war, im guessing by doing that they will be spreading armys all around to different wars going on so it will be easier for the Skrull to invade. That's all I have for the Avengers info. Now, Spider-Man 4 will have Kraven in it, and the person that will be playing that role is CLIVE OWEN!! Until next time!

infamous_emijayne said:

IcEXMaNuSa said:

rocco2216 said:

Infamous_Emijayne, I know you hate me asking you questions but when you said that Sony is connecting Spider-Man 4, the Venom spin-off, and Spider-Man 5 together, you didn't mention 6. What are they doing with Spider-Man 6 since James Vanderbilt is writing that at the same time as 5? Thanks again.

you know whats funny about that is that if sam does return dont expect carnage or venom to be involved.... Sam already hinted at no carnage because he has no interest in the character.

Raimi will not be directing beyond SM4. He will switch to producing. Trust me on this. The Venom spinoff is a one shot deal with no sequels except being connected to SM5. Vanderbuilt is merely a failsafe. What he is writing would reboot the fanchise if needed. He's just rewriting the stories he already turned in. Because there are two, it's being reported as SM5 and SM6, but that is simply websites ASSUMING they are sequels when in reality they are not.

IcEXMaNuSa said:

infamous_emijayne said:

IcEXMaNuSa said:

rocco2216 said:

Infamous_Emijayne, I know you hate me asking you questions but when you said that Sony is connecting Spider-Man 4, the Venom spin-off, and Spider-Man 5 together, you didn't mention 6. What are they doing with Spider-Man 6 since James Vanderbilt is writing that at the same time as 5? Thanks again.

you know whats funny about that is that if sam does return dont expect carnage or venom to be involved.... Sam already hinted at no carnage because he has no interest in the character.

Raimi will not be directing beyond SM4. He will switch to producing. Trust me on this. The Venom spinoff is a one shot deal with no sequels except being connected to SM5. Vanderbuilt is merely a failsafe. What he is writing would reboot the fanchise if needed. He's just rewriting the stories he already turned in. Because there are two, it's being reported as SM5 and SM6, but that is simply websites ASSUMING they are sequels when in reality they are not.

thats what i have been saying. if they are planning to reboot it then why call it spider-man 5 and 6 ? makes no sense. So I had no luck getting info from micheal papajohn about spiderman 4 expect that he wrote on my autograph that he is the real killer of uncle ben.... Dont know if he did that as a joke or was trying to hint at something... Willem dafoe cancelled out and couldnt make it.