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Just for the sake of argument, say that you got a hold of Sam Raimi, current writer Gary Ross, or whoever was working on "Spider-Man 4". Like Mr. Raimi, you realize what a huge steaming bowl of elephant p**s "Spider-Man 3" was and you want to make sure that the next Spider-Man movie makes up for what "3" ruined.

So what five things, the things you would absolutely love to see in order to fix the train wreck that was "Spider-Man 3", would you demand that Sam Raimi include in the next film? Since I started this, I'll go first, and my top 5 may surprise you:

#1.) Flint Marko did not kill Ben Parker.
Seriously? This was the absolute worst aspect I've seen in a comic book film. It not only deviated from the comic book in a VERY stupid way (Flint accidentally shot Ben because he was startled? WHAT?!?), it took away the very reason why Peter became Spider-Man.

#2.) Bring in Bruce Campbell as Mysterio.
If not as the main villain, then as a secondary villain. Why? Here are three very good reasons I can think of.

a.) It fixes the Flint killed Ben debacle and makes the carjacker the real shooter again. I mean, what if Flint only thought he shot Ben? Maybe it was an illusion caused by Mysterio to fool Flint? Why would Mysterio do that and what has he been doing in the years since Ben was shot? Hey, let the writers come up with that part! There would have to be a logical explanation as to why Flint was framed and it'd make a good mystery for Spidey to unravel. Besides, Mysterio and the Burglar were in the "Return of the Burglar" storyline, so it's not impossible or unlikely to see the two characters paired together.

b.) It'd be Bruce Campbell as a main villain. Who DOESN'T want to see more of Mr. Campbell? Besides, who better to play a guy like Quentin Beck than him? Sure, he'd spend a lot of his time under a fishbowl helmet, but I'd love to see Mr. Campbell finally get an actual role that gets him longer than a minute of screentime. Plus, if you try to out-argue me on this, I'll just shoot you with my boomstick.

c.) I like the theory that Bruce Campbell's cameo characters are all really the same guy, Quentin Beck, and Beck is stalking Peter Parker by taking on different "roles" as popping up in a different job for each film. Maybe Beck knows Peter's Spider-Man and is spying on him for a crimelord (Silvermane, Tombstone, the Rose... take your pick). However...

#3.) Keep that d*mn Spider-Man mask on
Okay, "Spider-Man 2" overdid it a bit with the whole unmasking bit, and "Spider-Man 3" sure didn't help matters much. NOBODY ELSE NEEDS TO KNOW PETER IS SPIDER-MAN IN THESE MOVIES!!! It's a SECRET identity after all, and I sure as heck do NOT want to see this repeated in "Spider-Man 4".

#4.) Two words: CHARACTER, DEVELOPMENT.
Okay, how much did the writing for all of the characters in "Spider-Man 3" suck? Seriously. Peter was unlikable as a selfish jerk, Eddie Brock had no real backstory and/or characterization, Aunt May had a role so non-existant and unimportant you wondered why she was even in the movie, and don't EVEN get me started on what they did to Mary Jane. I say, make the characters likable again, give them something to do, and don't shoehorn someone in just because fans want to see them introduced. Look at Venom as the perfect example to that. Besides, it'd be nice to actually have Spider-Man quip and make jokes during battle. We saw a bit of that with Doc Ock in "Spider-Man 2", but there have been nowhere near enough quips made by Spidey in "2", or ANY of the Spidey films.

Plus, in the case of Mary Jane, they not only need to make her character someone to care for again, but for the love of Stan Lee, STOP KIDNAPPING HER!! Even I don't want Mary Jane put in peril again. If you must have someone in trouble for Spidey to save, use some characters who REALLY need more screen-time. I suggest either Betty Brant (just look at the Doc Ock storyline with her brother Bennett being involved with gangster Blackie Gaxton), J. Jonah Jameson (co-creator of the Scorpion), Curt Connors' as-yet-unintroduced wife Martha Connors (should he go all Lizard in a sequel), and even Aunt May Parker could get snatched up. I mean, Mysterio faked her death and so did the original Green Goblin.

#5.) IT FINALLY HAPPENS - PETER WEDS MARY JANE!! NOT A CLONE!! NOT AN IMAGINARY STORY!! NOT A WHAT-IF!! NOT A MEPHISTO-DEAL-TO-BE-RETCO
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Sorry, Mr. Quesada, but this is naturally the main thing I want to see included and if you don't know why I want this to happen, you don't know me at all.

Besides, I'm sure even you guys are sick of the whole "will they or won't they" factor we got all throughout "Spider-Man 3". I'd love to see them engaged and wed ON-SCREEN AND IN THE SAME FILM, because honestly, I don't want to see a 40-something Tobey Maguire playing a 20-something Peter Parker STILL be single and wondering if he can ever be with his one-true-love, Mary Jane. It's not only boring, it's about ****ing time they end up together. Granted, we should've had a better Mary Jane/Peter/Gwen love-triangle in "Spider-Man 3", but since it was done so stupidly and involved an emo Peter dancing and air-humping, I just cringe at the thought of Peter's relationship with Mary Jane stretched out for even one more movie. Gwen's time has come and gone, as far as I'm concerned, and since Gwen's rumored to not be in "4" at all, what's the point in introducing a new love interest like Betty Brant or even the Black Cat when we've had this on-and-off relationship since 2002?

Well, these are just my opinions. What do you guys think? What are YOUR top 5?


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1. Lizard

2. Kraven

3. Bruce in a meatier role but not as Mysterio.

4. MJ not in distress

5. Um maybe Aunt May finding out Peter is Spidey.


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honestly, i just want a good movie. but a gerard butler kraven would be pretty cool

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Ok you give very good reasons to put Mysterio in. But i just don't like the guy.

Though i rather him be in than oh say The Spot or The Kangaroo.


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1.) First app. of Lizard in live-action. One of the best Spidey villian deserve to appear in this film. In fact, he should've been in the film before crappy Venom.

2.) Started using more of Spidey making wise cracking jokes that drive the villians nuts!

3.) Use a different love interest. We got enough of Mary Jane, so I wish they went with Gwen for part 4 this time. Or make Betty Brant the next love interest. They did date before in the comics. Heck, why not use Felicia Hardy?

4.) Go back to the light hearted story again after the darkness of part 3.

5.) Bruce Campbell as Mysterio. Seriously, I can see him in the role since it the kind that suit him perfectly.


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Nightwing said:

1.) First app. of Lizard in live-action. One of the best Spidey villian deserve to appear in this film. In fact, he should've been in the film before crappy Venom.

2.) Started using more of Spidey making wise cracking jokes that drive the villians nuts!

3.) Use a different love interest. We got enough of Mary Jane, so I wish they went with Gwen for part 4 this time. Or make Betty Brant the next love interest. They did date before in the comics. Heck, why not use Felicia Hardy?

4.) Go back to the light hearted story again after the darkness of part 3.

5.) Bruce Campbell as Mysterio. Seriously, I can see him in the role since it the kind that suit him perfectly.




Spider-Man 3 was dark?! LOL, it was the campiest one.

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Not compare to the first 2. While Peter dancing & such was campy, but many part with Venom on-screen & Spidey losing control of himself in the Venom suit was quite dark.


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Nightwing said:

Not compare to the first 2. While Peter dancing & such was campy, but many part with Venom on-screen & Spidey losing control of himself in the Venom suit was quite dark.



Lol, not really, but if you say so.

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rocco2216 said:

Nightwing said:

Not compare to the first 2. While Peter dancing & such was campy, but many part with Venom on-screen & Spidey losing control of himself in the Venom suit was quite dark.



Lol, not really, but if you say so.


i think the darkest on was spider-man, then spider-man 2, then spider-man 3 being the least dark


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1. No MJ whining, with her role kept to a minimum.

2. The Lizard. No other villain necessary.

3. More wisecracking from Spidey.

4. No musical numbers.


Eh, that's it.

I don't need five.


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rocco2216 said:

Nightwing said:

1.) First app. of Lizard in live-action. One of the best Spidey villian deserve to appear in this film. In fact, he should've been in the film before crappy Venom.

2.) Started using more of Spidey making wise cracking jokes that drive the villians nuts!

3.) Use a different love interest. We got enough of Mary Jane, so I wish they went with Gwen for part 4 this time. Or make Betty Brant the next love interest. They did date before in the comics. Heck, why not use Felicia Hardy?

4.) Go back to the light hearted story again after the darkness of part 3.

5.) Bruce Campbell as Mysterio. Seriously, I can see him in the role since it the kind that suit him perfectly.




Spider-Man 3 was dark?! LOL, it was the campiest one.



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1. Bruce Campbell as Mysterio as the main villain.
2. Lizard as the secondary villain.
3. Definitely Felicia Hardy/Black Cat!
4. Spidey and MJ finally married and her helping him out and definitely her not in distress or whining either!
5. Yeah definitely have Spidey telling jokes when he is fighting against his enemies!




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jcfan54 said:

rocco2216 said:

Nightwing said:

Not compare to the first 2. While Peter dancing & such was campy, but many part with Venom on-screen & Spidey losing control of himself in the Venom suit was quite dark.



Lol, not really, but if you say so.


i think the darkest on was spider-man, then spider-man 2, then spider-man 3 being the least dark



I agree, especially with that beating the Green Goblin gave Spider-Man at the end. That was the only time we see Spider-Man take a serious beating.

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I want just one thing- during the opening credits I want to see:

"A Marvel Studios Production"

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5) Interaction between Jonah? Where Is It? They Have Had Some Of The Best Exchanges In The History Of Comics.

4) Source Material: Get This Sh!t Together And Back To What Made This Series Legend. *ALSO* Obviously They Got The Sobbing Lone Wolf Aspect Down Pat! Now Move One To The Cocky Side Of Peter. Which Is Spiderman's Smart Mouth!

3) A Powerhouse Villain That Will Revitalize These Films For Many Years To Come. Someone That Will Bring In Fans. A Villain Fans Expect To See With All The Bells And Whistles Of A Summer Block Buster! MY VOTE GOES TO SCORPION , But I Digress.

2) Web Shooters: Make Him Weaker. Incapable Of Shooting Webs From His Wrist. Explain It In A Fashion That Reboots The Series Without Compromising What Has Already Been Established. Example: (Spiderman 4) Peter Gets Exposed To Something Which Almost Eliminates All Of His Powers. A Weakened Spiderman Makes For More Drama. Not To Mention Some Of His Most Dramatic Scenes Happened From His Lack Of Web Fluid Through Out The Comics.

1) WHERE ARE THE ONE LINERS?! Spiderman Has Always Been Marvel's King Of The One Liners! "Here's Your Change?" "Be Quiet Kid! Grown Ups Are Talking?" THAT'S IT!? OUT OF DECADES WORTH OF SOURCE MATERIAL THAT'S ALL THEY COULD COME UP WITH? ARE YOU SERIOUS?!

They Need Someone To Make The Film Who Actually Read The Comics! Or At least Someone Who Won't Cave-in To Outside Demands When They Know It's Wrong For The Film.

For The Most Point My Stand Is: Spiderman Doesn't Mouth Off Enough. I Always Hated They Didn't Follow The Source Material Better. They Made A Farce Of 2 Potentially Good Villains In Part 3. If He Were A Real Spiderman Who Could Shoot Webs From His Body. They Would Most Likely Have Come Out Of His @ss. Why Could They Have Just As Easily Stuck To The Comic And Had Peter Develop Web Shooters? The Revamps Are Killing The Films And Really Good Story Lines Were Never Told. Also With The Current Revamps I Don't See Them Being Told. It's Like There Writing These Movies Having Nothing More Than An Abridged Version Of Spiderman That Consists Of Saturday Morning Cartoons And Wikipedia. Get It Together Already!

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Count Down For 5

5) Interaction between Jonah? Where Is It? They Have Had Some Of The Best Exchanges In The History Of Comics.

4) Source Material: Get This Sh!t Together And Back To What Made This Series Legend. *ALSO* Obviously They Got The Sobbing Lone Wolf Aspect Down Pat! Now Move One To The Cocky Side Of Peter. Which Is Spiderman's Smart Mouth!

3) A Powerhouse Villain That Will Revitalize These Films For Many Years To Come. Someone That Will Bring In Fans. A Villain Fans Expect To See With All The Bells And Whistles Of A Summer Block Buster! MY VOTE GOES TO SCORPION , But I Digress.

2) Web Shooters: Make Him Weaker. Incapable Of Shooting Webs From His Wrist. Explain It In A Fashion That Reboots The Series Without Compromising What Has Already Been Established. Example: (Spiderman 4) Peter Gets Exposed To Something Which Almost Eliminates All Of His Powers. A Weakened Spiderman Makes For More Drama. Not To Mention Some Of His Most Dramatic Scenes Happened From His Lack Of Web Fluid Through Out The Comics.

1) WHERE ARE THE ONE LINERS?! Spiderman Has Always Been Marvel's King Of The One Liners! "Here's Your Change?" "Be Quiet Kid! Grown Ups Are Talking?" THAT'S IT!? OUT OF DECADES WORTH OF SOURCE MATERIAL THAT'S ALL THEY COULD COME UP WITH? ARE YOU SERIOUS?!

They Need Someone To Make The Film Who Actually Read The Comics! Or At least Someone Who Won't Cave-in To Outside Demands When They Know It's Wrong For The Film.

For The Most Point My Stand Is: Spiderman Doesn't Mouth Off Enough. I Always Hated They Didn't Follow The Source Material Better. They Made A Farce Of 2 Potentially Good Villains In Part 3. If He Were A Real Spiderman Who Could Shoot Webs From His Body. They Would Most Likely Have Come Out Of His @ss. Why Could They Have Just As Easily Stuck To The Comic And Had Peter Develop Web Shooters? The Revamps Are Killing The Films And Really Good Story Lines Were Never Told. Also With The Current Revamps I Don't See Them Being Told. It's Like There Writing These Movies Having Nothing More Than An Abridged Version Of Spiderman That Consists Of Saturday Morning Cartoons And Wikipedia. Get It Together Already!



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1) Lizard

2) Mysterio

3) Felicia Hardy

4) set up kraven for part 5 at the end credits

5) more smart mouth spidey




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1) more villian hating one liners

2) 1 or 2 villians at most, i wanna see Lizard enough is enough......

3) introduce Felicia Hardy (but keep the Black Cat out of this one)

4) MJ getting a lot tougher


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1) New Peter Parker (an actor with a set of balls would be great)
2)New Mary Jane Watson (an actress with a set of talent would be fantastic)
3) New plot other than the same old kidnap MJ (a story line that doesn't include laziness would be superb)

Hmmm I guess thats really it for me.

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Cool some others want Felicia Hardy too. Keep the Black Cat part of it out? Come on! I want all of it included! I enjoyed and loved her on the 1994 cartoon and I want it to be almost similar in the next movie too!

WarriorWolf88 said:

1) New Peter Parker (an actor with a set of balls would be great)
2)New Mary Jane Watson (an actress with a set of talent would be fantastic)
3) New plot other than the same old kidnap MJ (a story line that doesn't include laziness would be superb)

Hmmm I guess thats really it for me.


You basically just want a reboot. They need to wait about 8 or 10 years before they do that like they did with Batman so the general public and even me don't get confuse.




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