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POSTED Saturday, March 25, 2006 10:09:15 AM Delete post? (Moderator ONLY)
The New World Coven sends their own versions of Cleaners and Death Dealers to investigate and contain the collapse of the Old World Coven as well as lay the foundation for taking over its 'business' all over Europe.

Meanwhile, back in the States, packs of lycans gather to strike at the heart of the remaining coven while they still can, although some of them fear risking exposure is too high a cost. However, the presiding regent of the New World Coven cares nothing for such matters as he is preoccupied with a project more dear to his heart. A project deemed a success as Ziodex performs not only a complete cloning of Amelia's body using bone marrow and tissue samples but also a restoration of her mind through stored contingencies of Elder blood as well as a certain bag of syringes (witheld by a former Cleaner looking for a job).

However, this Amelia soon seems to be experiencing difficulty differentiating between her memories and her fellow Elders as many of Viktor's 'bad habits' grows more prominent which makes us wonder if these are merely temporary side effects or the first symptoms of something far worse. And also, since her 'rebirth' could conceivably have made her an accidental 'offshoot' of the Corvinus bloodline, there is no telling what exposure to the lycan virus would entail.

I think I'll call this the Amelia II plotline. What do you think?


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Nice idea, but the Amelia part would be hard to pull off since Alexander's Cleaners already secured the assasination scene. The Vampire and Lycan bodies were destroyed since Alexander blew up the facility. Some new characters would have to be introduced , but you have some good points

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It's just a fun idea, you know, to get us talking. However I think you're not quite getting me.

The short version (without all the backdrop): Amelia is cloned at Ziodex. That's it.

They wouldn't need her dead body or those of any other vampires or lycans. One of Alexander's Cleaners could find the vials Raze dropped which then ends up back at her coven but they are not a vital necessity since you could just as easily say Ziodex is acting on standing orders should anything happen to her and have stored samples of her on hand for that very reason.


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yeh interesting idea you are dead set on zyodec cloning someone lol

but that could fill an action planned plot line and you could have her going after michael and selene kl



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iverson said:

yeh interesting idea you are dead set on zyodec cloning someone lol

I am? The only time I can remember mentioning it before was relating how Lucian could show up in Evolution and I think that was well over a year ago.
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but that could fill an action planned plot line and you could have her going after michael and selene kl

Easily. The prospect of going sunbathing alone would have Amelia hounding Selene to the ends of the Earth.


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Hey i'm kinda new hear and i was just reading what you wrote, it's a catching idea but how can there still be lycans and vampires cause when William and Marcus died the rest of the vampires and werewolves went with them. Selene didn't die becasue she had Alex's blood and Michaael didn't either cause he's a hybrid. Just a thought

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Okay, If Amelia's cloned then who institutes the order? I would like to think one of the offspring of the Elders try restore order amongst the wary Vampire race. Amelia would be a figure head with no true "power", and allows her sons to do all the dirty work. thus obtaining the remains of Marcus and William to create a force that could overtake nations, but vengance is on their mind.

As I've said many times before concerning Micheal and Selene. In the third installment they already had a child. this child grows and matures at a accelerated rate because of his Lycan genetics . The child has Alexander's memories. being the first pure born hybrid does have it's disadvantages, he inherits Williams bloodlust. Unlike William the Child can overcome such horrid traits. When he does he'll become a the ultimate immortal warrior that has limitless abilities that includes superior intelligence, cunning, strength, agility, speed, and awareness.

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Vamp lover said:

how can there still be lycans and vampires cause when William and Marcus died the rest of the vampires and werewolves went with them.

Nope, I'm afraid they're still around. Watch the movie again, you'll see.

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Okay, If Amelia's cloned then who institutes the order?

You tell me. Maybe whoever clones her covers up her death, saying it was a ruse to keep her safe while she recuperated, and most of the coven (which was coming apart) returns to some semblance of order but is still very fragmented. Heck, they might all go "Hey, that's why we're not all dead. She's alive. Praise the Elder!" and she's got a coven more loyal than ever backing her up.

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I would like to think one of the offspring of the Elders try restore order amongst the wary Vampire race. Amelia would be a figure head with no true "power", and allows her sons to do all the dirty work. thus obtaining the remains of Marcus and William to create a force that could overtake nations, but vengance is on their mind.

Interesting idea. You're right, of course, after Amelia, they (or she herself) could set their sights on getting other samples (like Marcus' or Michael's) and making more clones.

However, I never said the clone would automatically be made the ruler of the coven. All I said was she was cloned. The rest I left to your imagination. This 'offspring', maybe he or she (or they) clone her for that very reason, to be just a figure head to keep order but things don't go as planned. Or when the clone appears, he or she or they claim she's not the real McCoy or scheme to usurp her or whatever.

However I'm afraid I fail to see what the idea of Selene and Michael having a kid has to do with this idea.


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However I'm afraid I fail to see what the idea of Selene and Michael having a kid have to do with this idea.


the back story on this idea is of course the whole" known" war began with Lucian and Sonya. thus giving a "full circle" factor of the story.

knowing that this child shall be the first step in totally changing the bloodlines the Vampires thus have to create a counter attack with their hybrid army which I've discussed many many times .

The pure fear that it puts into the Vampire military leaders persaudes Amelia to follow through with such cloning orders that has several strategic advantages . Amelia who is more entranced for the decadence of power instead of the shear force of the entrenched position. Her sons then search for Micheal,Selene, and the child in America.

As Micheal and Selene gather the Lycan hordes they come across Lucian's cousin another sophisticated gentlemen. He's as clever as Lucian, and will give Micheal Selene the inside info on the surviving sects of Lycans in America, and allow to have a concentrated attack on the Vampire coven. As Lucian's cousin realizes what powerful allies the Lycans have with Micheal, Selene, and the child.


The Lycans with the knowledge of a secret "weapon that Vampires possess try to destroy their the vampires timeline to create such a destructive force storm the gates of the Vampire coven in the cover of night, and they're decimated because of the unknown numbers of the hybrid army.

Hence going back to my original idea of hordes of hybrids swarming the three in a visual that's similar to Agent Smith battling Neo in Matrix Revolutions.

The two sons of Amelia inject themselves with the purified hybrid DNA to extreme potentcy to finish of Micheal and Selene. The sons of Amelia and Viktor stream line the DNA that it would shatter the strength of Micheal and Selene, but the Child is the wild card since he was born a hybrid his instincts, strength, and speed are evolving to adapt to fend off other predators which makes him the reason that Viktor didn't want the bloodlines to be mixed, because this pure born hybrid shall be the savior of a new age of immortals.




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i have always thought the story could shift from america and this would bring spec for new covens and packs of lycans. Maybe have a story with selene and michael in search of answers about the past as selene gets flashbacks and incoherent memories from alexanders blood. Here they could find a new big evil that has been living away in soletude or hybernating this would be a plot line i would follow. But then there is still room for zyodec and humans to be introduced.



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It's a very nice plotline, Chief, it's just a bit neat and tidy and straightforward. People usually want some curveballs thrown at them, some seemingly unsolvable problems. And they want reasons why it's Lucian's cousin and not just a new lycan and the same goes for the junior Elders.

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Hence going back to my original idea of hordes of hybrids swarming the three in a visual that's similar to Agent Smith battling Neo in Matrix Revolutions.

You mean Reloaded.

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Here they could find a new big evil that has been living away in soletude or hybernating this would be a plot line i would follow.

Sounds a bit too much like Blade Trinity to me.

Ziodex, after hearing about a hybrid running around, capturing and experimenting on lycans to create their own hybrid soldiers might be interesting.

So would Tannis waking up as some kind of decaying 'flawed hybrid' with the power to not only pass on his powers but also his thoughts and memories to his victims whether they're vampires or lycans, making them "drones" of himself, and setting his sights on using Ziodex and Michael to restore himself to health.

Nah, too much like Blade II.


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It's a very nice plotline, Chief, it's just a bit neat and tidy and straightforward. People usually want some curveballs thrown at them, some seemingly unsolvable problems. And they want reasons why it's Lucian's cousin and not just a new lycan and the same goes for the junior Elders.



It was a general summation, or pitch idea.


Some changes could take place such as the new Lycan was more a "savage animal", but morelike a war criminal in the Vampire's eyes as or even more brutal than Lucian when it came to his meticulous nature of terror and vengence. Seeing his immediate family committing"Crimes against the Lords" for stealing regal tastes ( more food)

He was a child then, but since the Lycan growth and maturity level are accelerated, because of the K-9 DNA. He was unrecognizable to the Vampires after he fled in his adolesent form.

He was unheard of for years gathering his horde of rebel Lycans to overthrow their slave masters. This is where his reign of brutality began against the Vampires. Torturing Vampire POWs that even the bravest warrior couldn't speak about it.Fear, was his greatest asset against the vampires, and this Lycan instilled this like no other in the region which only rivaled Lucian's leadership in Hungary. This makes Selene very wary of this individual, because of the rumors of cruelity he enacted on the vampires. Is this a reliable person or a loose cannon .


that's one new character bio








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Chief Priority said:

It was a general summation, or pitch idea.

Ah, gotcha. Forget I said anything.

Chief Priority said:

that's one new character bio

And a darn good one, by thunder! Might he be sporting an 'A' branded somewhere upon his person or would that be too deja vu?


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He was unheard of for years gathering his horde of rebel Lycans to overthrow their slave masters. This is where his reign of brutality began against the Vampires. Torturing Vampire POWs that even the bravest warrior couldn't speak about it.Fear, was his greatest asset against the vampires, and this Lycan instilled this like no other in the region which only rivaled Lucian's leadership in Hungary. This makes Selene very wary of this individual, because of the rumors of cruelity he enacted on the vampires. Is this a reliable person or a loose cannon .

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interesting a like reverse of what had happened a lycan torturing a vampire and this lycan could be the new big bad but in terms of strength how could he contend with hybrids like selene and michael



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interesting a like reverse of what had happened a lycan torturing a vampire and this lycan could be the new big bad but in terms of strength how could he contend with hybrids like selene and michael


He has Hannibal Lector like intellegence and influence. If one isn't stronger than physically then the persons smarts always trumps physical ability.

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Lead Vampire Bio

This individual is ruthless not like the hungarian coven more hands on, and he has a mafia-like appeal concerning his tenets it's almost charming.

He was born a pure blood hence his high status in the coven an individual who has his hand in everything that involves influence in american business, and Ziodex is one of the vehicles that further their influence on the american public, and pardon the underworld "bosses" make sure everything runs smoothly.

He called on orders to kill several Lycans who were trying to achieve a better understanding of literature concerning the outside world, and anything that would improve themselves as individuals in academic advancement.

This individual should have a Christopher Walken/Tony Montana charisma about him.

In the past he had genocidal raids amongst Lycans with strong individualistic idea's , and murdered anyone related or known to that individual like a unwanted cancer.
His key weakness though is his pride. He believes he is untouchable, because of his newly created "invincible Army" .
This Vampire isn't a weak leech like Kraven. This individual is a great warrior, and very business savy.

Another bio

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I understand what you're going for with his past exploits but it would be difficult to have the raids for that particular reason since there were only two kinds of lycans, the free and the slaves. The former were raided by default to be made into slaves and the latter were not only continuously oppressed and living very closely to the vampires and if they were "owned" individually (as opposed to collectively by the whole coven), their masters would object to their property being harassed and killed without their consent.

You could make him an up-and-coming Death Dealer (in the past, I mean) or some kind of glorified executioner (although I doubt you'd just want another Soren) but the kind of oppression you are describing just won't fly. You can't have terror raids in the hallways of the vampires' own castle right in front of both the vampires and the lycans you're leaving alone, especially not when the vampires have to go to sleep every day with only the lycans guarding them. It would be counterproductive and he'd be dealt with.

Now I'm not saying you can't keep the raids or the "mental" oppression of the lycans, just not together like you just described.

Unless of course you want him to be "dealt with" which makes him hate lycans even more and puts him on the path to where he is now. It would give him a bit of depth and show he's smart enough to understand there's more than one way to skin a lycan.


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I'm Involving both past and present one is the point when the Lycans were "beastial" beings in the old world during the Lycan "slave trade", and the escaped Lycans during the Lycan American uprising. Present day involves precise pinpoint attacks in the present for the modern counterterrorism Death Dealer outfit. This Vampire should have more of a Micheal Corleone appeal to him.He's the americanized version of Viktor without the Brittish accent.

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Could there be like a way to bring Amelia back?


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Chief Priority said:

one is the point when the Lycans were "beastial" beings in the old world during the Lycan "slave trade", and the escaped Lycans during the Lycan American uprising.

I assume by "slave trade" you just mean their enslavement and (asking everyone here) when do we think the New World Coven came about, by the way? We now know Amelia was present in the Old World Coven 700 years ago not long before Lucian's escape from it and Selene's joining it and even if they still kept lycans as slaves after that time, I find it unlikely that they would bring the other species along over to a new country while they are at war with it in the old one. For one thing, they would have even less control over runaways. Then again, I suppose they could have had a small "colony" over there already set up with lycans.

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Could there be like a way to bring Amelia back?

I suppose if her body wasn't destroyed on the ship but brought to Ziodex they could bring her back with some experimental treatment.


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I find it unlikely that they would bring the other species along over to a new country while they are at war with it in the old one. For one thing, they would have even less control over runaways. Then again, I suppose they could have had a small "colony" over there already set up with lycans.




Let me clarify, the slave trade would've occured during the "truce". When the Vampire's were trying to expand their "empire"

When I said the americanized military leader committed raids was in the old world where the Lycans were fully taken as WereWolves. Once the Lycan strain mutated the memories of the waring past of their anscestors were forgotten in the "modern day" generation. Their is a reason why Lucian retorted " I was born in a life of servituted, but I never bared the Vampires ill will, I even toke one as my bride"

One of my theories is once the Lycan strain mutated in allowing them to morph back to humans it created a new slate for the vampires to work on, because they couldn't remember the past.

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pimpjoe_esb said:

Could there be like a way to bring Amelia back?

I suppose if her body wasn't destroyed on the ship but brought to Ziodex they could bring her back with some experimental treatment.
They should.


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Chief Priority said:

Let me clarify, the slave trade would've occured during the "truce". When the Vampire's were trying to expand their "empire"

Yes, but they were slave owners, not slave traders.
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When I said the americanized military leader committed raids was in the old world where the Lycans were fully taken as WereWolves. Once the Lycan strain mutated the memories of the waring past of their anscestors were forgotten in the "modern day" generation.

They didn't seem to have a warring past before Lucian, just a hunt for William and a capture of the lycans.
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One of my theories is once the Lycan strain mutated in allowing them to morph back to humans it created a new slate for the vampires to work on, because they couldn't remember the past.

Michael doesn't seem to have trouble remembering his past. Interesting idea, though.

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They should.

Did you read my clone idea up top?


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Yes, but they were slave owners, not slave traders.



How did they decide whick Lycan goes where? Hence the slave trade.


They didn't seem to have a warring past before Lucian, just a hunt for William and a capture of the lycans.


It seemed rather warlike when they were trying to contain the Lycan strain that William was spreading. It was biological warfare in those terms.

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Michael doesn't seem to have trouble remembering his past. Interesting idea, though.



Why didn't Micheal have visions of the genesis of the whole picture that involves William or other Lycans before Lucian. Which is my grounds that the "modern" Lycans forgot about their past involving William.

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Chief Priority said:

How did they decide whick Lycan goes where? Hence the slave trade.

That's not the trading of slaves, that's assigning them chores. I think (meaning I don't know) that the lycans were "owned" collectively by the whole coven, not by individual vampires even though the vampires would undoubtedly refer to them as "your servants" and "my servants" etc. for practical reasons. The coven was too small (from what I can tell) to handle things otherwise. This is just my humble opinion, of course.

Chief Priority said:

It seemed rather warlike when they were trying to contain the Lycan strain that William was spreading. It was biological warfare in those terms.

You're right, the hunt for William included wiping out all the early lycans. Hmm, or perhaps they weren't the early ones. I wonder if perhaps William founded the lycan species during an early stage of madness during full moons, then after he went completely permanent werewolf insane all of his victims did the same. That would make the vampires pretty wary of the common lycans since for all they knew, any one of them might turn into a new William at any given moment.

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Why didn't Micheal have visions of the genesis of the whole picture that involves William or other Lycans before Lucian. Which is my grounds that the "modern" Lycans forgot about their past involving William.

Oh, I see, I thought you meant the lycans soon forgot all about their human lives. No, of course they wouldn't remember all that. Everybody would know all about Alexander and the twins and the vampires and lycans being cousins. That's not a theory, that's the core of the premise.


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michael maybe recalled viktors memories through selene but before selene remembered due to him being a hybrid and maybe lucian didnt know about william thats why he did not recall the events



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Oh, I see, I thought you meant the lycans soon forgot all about their human lives. No, of course they wouldn't remember all that. Everybody would know all about Alexander and the twins and the vampires and lycans being cousins. That's not a theory, that's the core of the premise.


The purpose of this of course is to reveal when the Lycan strain mutated they could no longer communicate with their Lycan taken relatives/parents who were completely taken as a WereWolf. Their had to be a transition period for this to occur or the Lycans wouldn't be able to exsist because of their mindless habits. That's what I'm trying to get it boiled down to the direct point when the Lycan strain mutated, and then it's offspring wasn't able to communicate with it's parents because of the cerebral and physcological mutation. That's how their history was lost.

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I'm not sure what you mean by "their history". If William went directly from man to mindless werewolf as most of us assume from Underworld Evolution, that's the point where it was lost. An unknown percentage of his victims became werewolves like him, all presumably unable to communicate anything above the level of normal wolves (and rabid wolves at that, from what I can tell), until at some point a few of those infected stayed in human form except during full moon nights, what we call lycans, who would have no idea where they came from. Is this what you meant?


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but if william lost his history memories then how is he able to relate to marcus as brothers. In the cave during evolution marcus said to william stop brother and he never attacked him



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