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How come Jack couldnt get,compass to work?
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POSTED Wednesday, June 27, 2007 07:14:30 AM Delete post? (Moderator ONLY)
I want to hear from any of ya why you think jack couldnt make the compass work.

My opinion is he was falling in love with Liz, and it was conflicting with other things he wanted.

My proof: SImple the last time the compass showed working he was looking for Liz at the Island in part one after that in part two it wouldnt work for him it. Once he had Liz aboard his ship, the kracken attack once again Jack left the ship because he wanted to save himself!But when he looked at the compass where did it point they didnt show it but he ended up not saving himself he went back and who he run into Liz at the staircase. Its clear he went back because Liz was on the ship and wanted her not to die otherwise he would of saved himself he knew the ship was doomed.
Then again on the Dutchman, instead of leaving and saving his own neck he grabs liz and saves hers too the women who left him too die!Again anyone without any feelings toward this women, would of left her to her own fate. But again I protest that Jack loved Liz in his own way only after hearing she made her choice and married will did his compass work again for him.

I would say Jack fell in love with Liz in his own way but realize after she made her choice and married will he finally gave up on her and the compass worked finally for him again!!

Thats my opinion on way the compass didnt work Jack wanted liz but try to convince himself he didnt or couldnt!~

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REPLIED Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:23:21 AM Delete post? (Moderator ONLY)
The compass worked at the end of 1 when Liz was NOWHERE near him. It only stopped working because he knew the deal with Jones was getting near to being complete and had no idea what to do but I've seen people who believe the compass wouldn't work for Sparrow now because he was with the Pearl and that was the only thing he wanted in his heart. Although, I disagree with that - I'm positive it' not Liz that caused it not to work since it was working after 1 but before she saw him in 2 or even the mention of her.

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Actually the compass was never used again if you recall jack was evading Norrington and the hurricane then he couldnt find a heading they asked and he couldnt come up they thought he was acting stranger!. He knew he needed the key but couldnt come up with a heading thats when he mention why is the rum always gone, and if you listen to the commentors he was thinking about Liz is why the compass wouldnt work and I agree 100%.
He then could never get it working, then he bumps into liz and she uses the compass it gives him a heading towards the chest. But during the ride the compass does switches from time to time with Liz pointing sometimes to jack hidden lust we all seen. Jack figured out the compass was pointing to the chest because when liz last touched it she was concentrating on it only!

Agian I ask why didnt the compass work for Jack he wanted the CHest to save his own butt but couldnt get it to do it, because WHY? I think its because he wanted Liz too!

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REPLIED Wednesday, June 27, 2007 01:43:31 PM Delete post? (Moderator ONLY)
KING Pirate said:

Actually the compass was never used again if you recall jack was evading Norrington and the hurricane
This all happened OFF SCREEN - whether the compass was working then or not is NEVER stated. However, the last shot of the first film the compass is used and appears to work... so, once again, this theory is incorrect.
KING Pirate said:

then he couldnt find a heading they asked and he couldnt come up they thought he was acting stranger!.
Yes, because he was fearful of Jones and the debt that was to be settled. Even before seeing Bootstrap, he had already got into a prison and stole the image of the key which implies he's been prepared for Jones to come for him and that fear and uncertainty is why the compass wasn't working. For once in his life, Jack didn't know what to do and only wanted to survive... and the compass had no way of pointing him to 'survival'.
KING Pirate said:

He knew he needed the key but couldnt come up with a heading thats when he mention why is the rum always gone,
That line is a THROWAWAY line meant to satisfy the auidence... has nothing to do with Liz.
KING Pirate said:

and if you listen to the commentors he was thinking about Liz is why the compass wouldnt work and I agree 100%.
I did listen to the commentary and the writers never stated this nor have they ever said this on their forums, in the script, or anywhere in the film. You're streching.
KING Pirate said:

He then could never get it working, then he bumps into liz and she uses the compass it gives him a heading towards the chest.
He gives Liz the compass because HE KNOWS she has one true desire in her heart and it's Will. So, just like he did with Will, he sends the wayword lover in search for something to help her significant other only it really only helps Jack.
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But during the ride the compass does switches from time to time with Liz pointing sometimes to jack hidden lust we all seen.
It appears to be a hidden affection but in looking back the compass points to what you want... she states she believes Jack to be a good man and even shows anger when he abandons them later in the film so one could make the argument it points to Jack at that moment because she WANTS Jack... to be a good man. Just like Beckett WANTS Jack... to be dead.
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Jack figured out the compass was pointing to the chest because when liz last touched it she was concentrating on it only!
No, the compass pointed to the chest but Liz just thought it was pointing to Sparrow like it did briefly earlier. That means nothing.

KING Pirate said:

Agian I ask why didnt the compass work for Jack he wanted the CHest to save his own butt but couldnt get it to do it, because WHY? I think its because he wanted Liz too!
He didn't WANT the chest. He didn't even want the key. He had to see Tia Dalma before discovering it would be of any help at all. And he didn't want Liz to save him, either. He had been expecting Jones for some time since he risked his life to get the drawing of a key that may save him. He was in a different place then he was in 1 and 3 because he was just trying to survive and knew his time was up. That's why the compass didn't work. It had nothing to do with liz.

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REPLIED Wednesday, June 27, 2007 01:56:22 PM Delete post? (Moderator ONLY)
LOL how can you be so dead set against Jack having feelings for Liz its clear if you spend time with anyone you will care for them but you sound if he didnt like women lol. Come on dude he clearly was attracted to her, he would of married her right there on the deck if she said yes and the compass never seemed to work for him since he met her.

Liz didnt love Jack at all but lusted him only I find that strange too because there is all kinds of love even WIll asume she was in love with Jack not only will asume it but Norrington implied it in part 2 and wish she thought of him once that way.

I think your preaty blinded to having WIll with LIZ how old are ya anyway 10?

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REPLIED Wednesday, June 27, 2007 04:23:42 PM Delete post? (Moderator ONLY)
KING Pirate said:

LOL how can you be so dead set against Jack having feelings for Liz its clear if you spend time with anyone you will care for them
wait right there... so Jack has such feelings for Will or Cotton, etc? No, just cause you spend time with someone doesn't mean you have feelings for them and a pirate like Sparrow has proven numerous times he spends time with anyone (including enemies) to further get what he wants.
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but you sound if he didnt like women lol.
No, my point was that he never had any intention of staying faithful to one. His only love is the sea and his precious Pearl. In the script for DMC's Davy Jones askes Jack if he is trying to get with Will's bride to be and Jack responds by saying he'll try to if it'll help with the deal he was trying to make with Jones. This scene was probably cut because it made Jack seem a bit crueler then he was but he never once gave the impression that he loved Liz. You're stretching for something that's not there.
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Come on dude he clearly was attracted to her, he would of married her right there on the deck if she said yes and the compass never seemed to work for him since he met her.
The compass led them to Isla Murta after they were saved by the British marines in the first film and worked again as he escaped. It stopped working because of his debt and his own fears. It had nothing to do with Liz and the marriage line was there for 2 reasons - 1) so audience members would understand why Liz would know Barbossa can perform a marriage in 3, and 2) because it's in Sparrow's nature to say what he thinks a person wants to hear (as she acted all depressed that she wasn't married) to futher his goal but it was just a game of cat and mouse since Liz led him on to further her own.

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Liz didnt love Jack at all but lusted him only I find that strange too because there is all kinds of love even WIll asume she was in love with Jack not only will asume it but Norrington implied it in part 2 and wish she thought of him once that way.
Norrington and Will didn't think Liz would be able to lead a person on the way Sparrow could... and Will only thought something because he saw her final move (the kiss) and then thought her feelings of regret (for killing a man who for the first time tried to think of others') were actually feelings of depression for the man she now loves. That wasn't the case.

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I think your preaty blinded to having WIll with LIZ how old are ya anyway 10?
Please, I'm not the one trying to make this personal nor am I posting my theories as fact.

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Dude really you cant be that blind, Jack Sparrow was falling for Liz, even when he had the papers of mark he told her to convince him to give them back. She walked away and we all know what his reaction was he was disappointed. Then Liz went over to the rail and was thinking about what just occur with jack she was smiling over it. Norrington seen everything between her and Jack on deck and commented on how she looked right now she was gogga over Jack he wished she thought of him once that way. Thats when the compass points towards jack for the first time for her, she wanted him at that moment there was no Will on her mind at that time.

Jack Wanted Liz for himself in the end,but realized he couldnt never have her, she lusted or cared about Jack but loved Will I wont argue that point its very clear she would of ended up with Jack if not for Will.

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REPLIED Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:26:27 AM Delete post? (Moderator ONLY)
KING Pirate said:

Dude really you cant be that blind, Jack Sparrow was falling for Liz, even when he had the papers of mark he told her to convince him to give them back.
That's Sparrow's nature. He wasn't suddenly falling in love with her. Now you're just being a teenage girl about this lol.
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She walked away and we all know what his reaction was he was disappointed.
KING Pirate said:

Then Liz went over to the rail and was thinking about what just occur with jack she was smiling over it. Norrington seen everything between her and Jack on deck and commented on how she looked right now she was gogga over Jack he wished she thought of him once that way. Thats when the compass points towards jack for the first time for her, she wanted him at that moment there was no Will on her mind at that time.
Didn't we cover this like 500 times? She wanted Jack... to be a good man. It became her "mission". She led him on to try and prove to him that he could be good. It meant nothing else.

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Jack Wanted Liz for himself in the end,but realized he couldnt never have her, she lusted or cared about Jack but loved Will I wont argue that point its very clear she would of ended up with Jack if not for Will.
lol no, she would've been with Norrington before Jack and even that's just unrealistic. She loved Will and Jack didn't love Liz. Had he wanted her, at all, he would have tried to talk Will into doing what he was intent on doing (killing Jones) when he discovered the curse but he tells him the only way to be with his love is if he allows someone else to kill Jones.

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REPLIED Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:57:49 AM Delete post? (Moderator ONLY)
Wow. These are certainly long explanations. How about this: The compass didn't work because Jack wasn't 100% sure about what it was that he wanted most in the world.



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LOL yeah liz only wanted to make him a good man, please your nuts~

She said all along he was a good man, and someday you will prove it to yourself!

She wasnt trying to make him anything,she already felt he was one!

Sorry but your opinion blows chunks its all onesided Liz only loved will not once did she ever consider Jack maybe!

Yeah like you really know what she thought!

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O yeah and not once did Liz every really have strong feelings for Norrington, if you recall her father pushed her to marry a good man like him. She wasnt interested in him at all but was upset when he died,she knew him forever since she was a child. I cant even phantom any reason other then her father pushing her towards Norrington or her making a deal with him to save someone like WIll or Jack.

Liz had more sparks and Lust for Jack then she every had for Norrington, he was her fathers choice not hers.

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Dude you lie over and over in here.

First off you have not watch the movie Dead mans chest with the commentors, because if you did during the rum is always gone line the guys telling ya what jack was thinking about was LIZ.

You should actually watch the movie again in commentary, listen for someone elses view on what is going on instead of just backing up what you want it too be.

LIke I said if you had watched the commentors they said Jack was Vexing or Liz and they mention Jack and Liz many times during there encounters even when they almost kissed the first time on the pearl they agreed she would of held out if Jack tried but they both said she deep down kind of wanted one from him.

GO watch the movie with commentors you need a outside view!

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KING Pirate said:

She said all along he was a good man, and someday you will prove it to yourself!
Yes, she said this because she was trying to convince him of it (ie - make him a good man). You caught that, didn't you?

KING Pirate said:

She wasnt trying to make him anything,she already felt he was one!
She says she has faith in him and believes ONE DAY he will prove himself to be a good man. She doesn't believe he is one but that he COULD be one.

KING Pirate said:

Yeah like you really know what she thought!
LOL, it's a FICTIONAL character and I'm reading it from what's in the film, script, acting, etc... just because you want her to feel something doesn't make it so. As Sparrow says, "All evidence to the contrary."

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KING Pirate said:

O yeah and not once did Liz every really have strong feelings for Norrington, if you recall her father pushed her to marry a good man like him. She wasnt interested in him at all but was upset when he died,she knew him forever since she was a child. I cant even phantom any reason other then her father pushing her towards Norrington or her making a deal with him to save someone like WIll or Jack.

Liz had more sparks and Lust for Jack then she every had for Norrington, he was her fathers choice not hers.

Actually, watch 1 again. She felt the maids response about Will "too bold" but not Norrington. I agree she didn't appear to ever love the man but she did have some feelings more then just the ones her father forced on to her.

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KING Pirate said:

First off you have not watch the movie Dead mans chest with the commentors, because if you did during the rum is always gone line the guys telling ya what jack was thinking about was LIZ.
No, they say it's a refrence not that Jack's thinking about Liz right that second.

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LIke I said if you had watched the commentors they said Jack was Vexing or Liz and they mention Jack and Liz many times during there encounters even when they almost kissed the first time on the pearl they agreed she would of held out if Jack tried but they both said she deep down kind of wanted one from him.
I watched the commentary and it seems to me now that you not only misunderstood the film but misunderstood and misquoted the commentary lol

Also, can you try to respond once in a post rather then 5 times? It's just hard to keep track of what's being responded to when your responding to a response you made while I'm sending a response.

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Again my opinion is they had feelings for eachother, and both were confused bye them most of the time.Might not of been love, but it was lust forsure and sometimes they were attracted to eachother without Will who knows what happens between them.

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