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| Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End |
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| Question about Davy Jones. |
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| POSTED Friday , June 22, 2007 10:07:10 PM |
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| REPLIED Saturday, June 23, 2007 12:04:08 AM |
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| REPLIED Thursday, June 28, 2007 05:53:47 AM |
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| REPLIED Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:13:17 AM |
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KING Pirate said:
No matter what you say, the people on the Dutchman are not like you or me there not in fact Human beings.
Actually, they're fictional characters who POSTPONED death by serving Jones. KING Pirate said:
They are Supernatural or spiritual beings what ever they're the fact is human beings dont walk threw objects sail under water or travel to the otherside. That fact alone not to mention having no heart inside there bodies clearly makes them not Human!
They have hearts. Only Jones' heart is removed as that's something he did himself. And the walking through walls stuff comes with the fact they are monsters now and they're supposed to be doing a duty on the other side. They may bot be dead but as part of the cursed ship, they're supposed to be doing the job just like Jones.
KING Pirate said:
LIke I said Davey Jones was a Spirit, once he cut out his heart he was no longer human it had nothing to do with being the captain of the dutchman he choose to cut out his own heart!!
Yes, he did. He's not a 'spirit', though as he is a physical entity that can be touched. And he cut out his heart... has nothing to do with the Dutchman OR the crew. KING Pirate said:
How cuting out Wills heart kept him alive is kind of humorous because nowhere did that have anything to do with being Captain of the Dutchman!!
Killing Jones requires someone to take his place. It's a loophole. Will is brought back to life to because the curse of killing the monster makes him immortal. Is that really that confusing to you?
KING Pirate said:
Logically cuting out his heart didnt have anything to do with the Curse or being Captain of the dutchman, so then logic would also say once Will stoped being captain of the Dutchman which was the only reason he was immortal would infact then be without his heart in his chest.
There's no "logic" behind any of this lol. Nor is there any proof to what you're saying - did you read what the writers wrote???
KING Pirate said:
Will is never going to be Human like LIZ, he will never have a BEating Heart in his chest he is in fact either a Spirit or Supernatural being he is not Human!
This is all your opinion and that's all. Although you feel this way you should be able to tell the difference between an opinion and a fact, right?
KING Pirate said:
The fact that WIll stabed Davey Jones Heart infact killing Davey Jones or Destroying him it really makes no difference should of then made him the Captain of the Dutchman, why they had to cut out his Heart and store it in a chest makes very little sense to the whole deal since it had nothing to do with being Captain of the Dutchman. Davey Jones cut out his own heart over Cylepso!!
Yeah, I mentioned that a few times... however, it may not have started as part of the "Curse of the Dutchman" but Jones' altered the curse, himself, by doing this. And through the film they know it would have to happen now (Sparrow even tells Will he'll lose Liz for sure if he chooses "to put your heart in a box").
KING Pirate said:
SO why did Will have his Heart Cut out? It wasnt to be Captain of the Dutchman that was never part of the Deal!!
It's no longer a deal. The cursed changed because of what happened with Jones. He choose to serve Calypso and did so for 10 years. He then choose to abandon the duty and betray her. He then choose to cut out his own heart. He altered what you used to be a choice (to serve) and made it a curse (the brave soul who would kill him would be forced to take his place).
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| REPLIED Thursday, June 28, 2007 12:48:34 PM |
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| REPLIED Thursday, June 28, 2007 01:14:46 PM |
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KING Pirate said:
First off my opinion of Davey Jones, is he was a man that use to be a pirate, that took the job of captain of the dutchman we know the curse only occurs if you failed to ferry souls to the otherside no where does it have anything to do with a womens love. Once his reason for doing the jobs betrayed him he cut out his own heart and stoped doing the duties, that made the curse go off. No where could he alter the curse otherwise he would of stop it from even happen to him!
Whoa whoa whoa... hold on, there a sec... the curse is his monstorous form. If he continued to serve for Calypso the curse would never have happened. But she turned him into that after he stopped doing the duty. The only REAL curse prior to this is that he can't step on land but once every ten years (and Jones still won't do it because he fears what may happen). He, more then likely, betrayed Calypso after he became a monster as he thought he was being punished for something that was her fault (in his view, he would never have stopped willingly doing the job if she were there that day). Nowehere in ANY of this curse was the "kill the captain, become the captain" a curse relevent to him or possibly even know about by him. He removed his own heart after betraying her and therby changed the curse. Suddenly he could only be killed by getting his heart stabbed (it's never revealed if it was like this when his heart was in his chest or if Calypso had given him this "immortal curse" before she was trapped in a human body so he'd be forced to live in pain) and he locked it away from the world. That is how HE altered the curse. It wasn't always a curse and, in my opinion, it was only made into a curse by the Goddess when he failed to do his job. KING Pirate said:
There should of never been any reason for Wills or anyone elses heart from being cut out to be captain of the dutchman. Davey Jones never was the person with the power to create the curse it was Cylepso!
He didn't create the curse but he did alter it. As said in the second film, "Don't stab the heart. The Dutchman must have a living heart or there is no captain!" That means the Captain must be alive and with a heart (even if it's not in his body apparently lol).
KING Pirate said:
Any form that can go threw objects, isnt human I contend Davey Jones is a Supernatural Being hes closer to a Ghost or spector even maybe a spirit then a Human being! Wills is no different!
A ghost or spirit contains no physical manifestation. And you can see clearly in 3, Jones can't just walk through anything... it's a power. He has to "turn it on". When he was talking with Calypso and his claw got stuck he had to make his whole body capable of walking through the ship... if he was a Ghost or spector he wouldn't of had a problem with the claw. It's most likely a power given to him to help in the duties on the other side or a result of him not currently being bound to this world (one could make the argument that he may be in our world but bound to the otherside while he's supposed to be doing the job).
KING Pirate said:
LOL and I guess your opinion is the curse was changed when Davey Jones cut out his heart. Well nowhere is that written or explained its your assumtion because otherwise there is no reason for anyone to cut out there hearts but the curse still only remains and there is only one curse and thats not taking souls to the otherside. I find it humorous that you think Davey Jones got more powerful being cursed then he was doing his duties maybe he was supernatural could go threw object the only difference is he turned into a ugly squid!
First, go to the writters forum... in their post about the ending they speceifcally state Jones altered the curse so no that's not my opinion. It is my opinion the alteration was made when he removed his heart OR when he decided to stop doing the duty since at that moment Calypso would have to decide a curse to be placed on him. Second, have you seen the Mummy? Dude has an affair with chick and then gets horrible punishment but if he were to ever be awaken he'd now have these insane powers... lol don't make much sense but that's the story.
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