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| Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End |
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| Depp and Rush back for more Pirates
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| POSTED Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:40:22 AM |
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KING Pirate said: Yeah Barbossa is stupid, first off thats all he does is steal Jacks ship!
Why in the heck would jack ever leave his ship in that guys hands ever, he wouldnt of left his ship with him aboard jacks not that stupid to go ashore and leave him aboard he would of gotten rid of him asp.
I think its alittle old to say Barbossa would be able to just steal jacks ship not once but twice!
Jack would of droped him off at on lsland right after killing Davey JOnes, sorry Barbossa needed to go more then Liz going to see WIll. That would of been Jacks first move period~
Actually, Barbossa and Jack know the eachother well enough to know what the others plan is. They work well on screen and Rush has continued to do an amazing job as the former Cursed Pirate Barbossa. Him and Jack on screen together were some of the best moments in the film.
KING Pirate said: And the Pirates movies were about all three of them not WIll and Liz relationship it was about Pirates and there lifes.
Actually, the first 3 were primarily about Will and Liz with Jack taking on the role of Han Solo. His introduction into their lives forever altered their lives' and brought them together. But he's, more or less, a secondary character who only appears more of a main character cause Depp shines so brightly as the good Captain Jack.
KING Pirate said: FIrst off Will, was a pirate he didnt even know it at first. Liz was like royality but perfered ever sense meeting Jack to living free like a pirate and enjoyed being around Jack and Will. Jack well hes just the greatiest pirate there ever lived but he cant seem to keep his ship from being stolen from one man a pirate. Actually, no... Will believes in what's right. As he states in the first - he stands in between Jack and Norrington. He's not allined himself with either because he believes in the "right" coarse of action and only cares for others' and not himself. And Liz did NOT suddenly want to be "free"... in fact, she didn't trust Sparrow at all in the first film and it wasn't till the end that she made her feelings known... and that wasn't that she lusted or loved him but also believed in breaking the rules to do the right thing. In DMC, she paid the price for her actions and knowning Jack would not willing help set things right, she used him to try and fix things in her life. She was never trying to "live free" - she just wanted to be with the man she loved which was Will. And Jack isn't the greatest pirate that ever lived... he's just smart and allignes himself with everyone while plotting out how he'll work it all into his favor.
KING Pirate said: SO the whole movie was about Pirates and there lifes not Will and Liz relationship matter fact in Part three they didnt even hardly talk to eachother there loved looked more like Distrust because each had other feelings one wanted to save his father more then anything and the other wanted Jack and it was bothering her for 2/3 of the whole story. Her sin bothered her... not Jack's demise. Had he sacraficed himself, she wouldn't care. She felt Will's eye's looking at her and feared he knew what she did to Jack. For a person like her... it's almost inhuman to kill some one so you could live... especaially the way she did by leading him on to his death. And no, the films aren't just about Will and Elizabeth just like Star Wars isn't just about Luke and his father... but they are the main story ark of the first 3 films. The story started when they first met and ended with their reunion. And Jack was able to sail out of their lives the same way he sailed in... on another quest to get back the Pearl and find immortality as while as meet new people along the way and change their lives as well. Will and Liz are done.
KING Pirate said: So yeah the Movie was way more deeper then just two peoples love story it was more like a LOve triangle between 5 people LIZ AND WILL / JACK and Lets not forget Davey and CLepso!
Actually, the Love Triangle involved Liz, Will, Jack, and James. But in the end she ended up with the man she loved and the man who loved her the most. |
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Actually She ended up with no one, will is Dead as Davey Jones was threw out the whole movie. He will never be the man she fell in love with hes gone forever and she will see him what 4 times if shes lucky back then people didnt live to 100.
No stars wars was about Darth Vader it wasnt about LUke or anyone else if you listen too the directors it was always about what happen to Anikan they just introduced Luke to ya first. The Star Wars movies were always about Darth Vader it was his complete story from Middle threw the end,and begining!
Just like Pirates, the movie showed ya characters that would come into Captian Jacks life and change its outcome.
Once he met WIll and Liz there lifes would be connected.
Will had a destiny to be the Captain of the Dutchman not be with Liz like we all thought! He would slay Davey Jones.
Liz went from being a young lady of royality and turned herself into a full fledge Pirate, a sidekick to Jack for years to come I dont see her siting at home after all this excitment she fits in with Jack.
Captain Jack is the Main character of the whole movie, hes the one that saves Liz in the beging from drowning hes the one who actually takes Will to save her when kidnap without him Liz wouldnt of been alive. Hes the who put will in place to find the key, while he went after the chest because he needed both pieces. Hes the one who came back to the pearl and saved everyone and then was betrayed bye Liz to save everyone else.
Jack always knew what he was doing, his plan was to use people to help him! People say he betrayed others thats false he used others as tools to make things as right as he could.
Not always did it work out, like making a deal with Barbossa and Jack telling his men to hit the boats for Norrington could blow them up instead they went for a walk under water. Jack puting Will on the Dutchman to find the Key, while he searched for the CHest in the end to free not just him but barter for everyone from Jones! Even at the end its about Jack being stranded and set sailing after the fountain of youth.
Its always been about Jack, the rest are supporting players in Jacks life they even showed his father and mother!LOL
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KING Pirate said: Actually She ended up with no one, will is Dead as Davey Jones was threw out the whole movie. He will never be the man she fell in love with hes gone forever and she will see him what 4 times if shes lucky back then people didnt live to 100. First, Will's heart still beats so he's not really dead... he's currently immortal. Second, your assuming he'd never "be the man" she fell for but where would you base this opinion on? He's still Will. He's still doing the right thing for the right reasons. He still loves her and she still loves him. Seems the same to me just less time together... and to be far, that's probably better because they seem to drive eachother insane when they're together too long (as most couples do).
KING Pirate said: No stars wars was about Darth Vader it wasnt about LUke or anyone else if you listen too the directors it was always about what happen to Anikan they just introduced Luke to ya first. The Star Wars movies were always about Darth Vader it was his complete story from Middle threw the end,and begining! Star Wars wasn't about JUST one thing was the point that you failed to grasp. And why would you say "middle through the end and begining"? lol
KING Pirate said: Just like Pirates, the movie showed ya characters that would come into Captian Jacks life and change its outcome.
Once he met WIll and Liz there lifes would be connected.
Will had a destiny to be the Captain of the Dutchman not be with Liz like we all thought! He would slay Davey Jones.
Liz went from being a young lady of royality and turned herself into a full fledge Pirate, a sidekick to Jack for years to come I dont see her siting at home after all this excitment she fits in with Jack. In your opinion but not in the creators nor in all the fans. I think that would be the most idiotic thing ever and make no sense with the character we were introduced to. Also, Jack came into THEIR lives not other way around. We've always began the films with them and their story was always story A. Jack was just the supporting character who altered their lives. In the end Jack is in the same place he began.
KING Pirate said: Captain Jack is the Main character of the whole movie, hes the one that saves Liz in the beging from drowning hes the one who actually takes Will to save her when kidnap without him Liz wouldnt of been alive. Hes the who put will in place to find the key, while he went after the chest because he needed both pieces. Hes the one who came back to the pearl and saved everyone and then was betrayed bye Liz to save everyone else. Jack was a supporting character to the main story of Will and Liz. The film's did not start with him nor did the series end with him and nothing really changed from when he was introduced as opposed to Will and Liz whose lives changed completely.
KING Pirate said: Jack always knew what he was doing, his plan was to use people to help him! People say he betrayed others thats false he used others as tools to make things as right as he could.
Not always did it work out, like making a deal with Barbossa and Jack telling his men to hit the boats for Norrington could blow them up instead they went for a walk under water. Jack puting Will on the Dutchman to find the Key, while he searched for the CHest in the end to free not just him but barter for everyone from Jones! Even at the end its about Jack being stranded and set sailing after the fountain of youth.
Its always been about Jack, the rest are supporting players in Jacks life they even showed his father and mother!LOL
You really need to watch these movies again... that's all I'm gonna say. |
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KING Pirate said: LOL Liz and WIlls life change compeltely. Well i would say over 75% of the characters lives changed compeltely first off Norrington went from being a big shot miltary man to be a pig hand to being so so dead, Davey Jones went from being a ruthless ghost of himself to a cursed ghost of himself to being quite dead. The point is every person outside the man character which was Jack Sparrow ended in Death or much worse fate usually the hero of the story keeps on a ticking in the end which Jack Sparrow Did do except he lost his ship again which really wasnt ment to be his because thats why he was in debt to Davey Jones in the first place so hes always been without his ship or maybe he should of been. I'm sorry I only skimmed this because I don't see what point you're trying to make here... yes, everyone's life is altered EXCEPT Jack who sailed through these films in a supporting role.
KING Pirate said: I love arguing with ya, but the point still is the movie ended stupid! I am not the only one in America who feels this way I am sure many were disappointed in how they ended a great Series of movies. Great thing about America... everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I'm not saying "don't hate it"... go ahead and hate it. Doesn't change how I feel about it (which I actually have yet to state since what's my personal opinion have to do with it) but we're discussing your "ideal" ending as opposed to the one in the film now. And my point is still just - what you claim as a perfect end is anything but. It's completely un-characteristic of Liz nor did the writers want it that way ever so how is it you're still trying to argue it?
KING Pirate said: They will have a Part 4, the Main Character of the story will be back JAck SParrow and they will do everything in there power to get KEira back but she might never want back. There is no need for WIll ( Orlando) who was just a ROle character in the whole flick and outside of doing Jacks biddings has no future since hes now quite dead! Jack will be back (presumably as a main character since the main story of the first 3 films - Will and Liz - is wrapped up). To call Will a "role character" (which I have no idea what you mean except maybe you mean 'supporting character') is just completely incorrect but neither he nor Liz are coming back (nor will Disney try and get them back) since the main stroy arc has been resolved. Jack should take helm in the next 3 and be the main character but that's not even a guarentee yet. The writers can easily introduce new characters and have Jack sail through their lives' like he did Will and Liz's.
KING Pirate said: Another point you seem to miss is WHy can Will go to the otherside but liz cant, perhaps because hes on a ghost ship where hes quite dead and has a crew of people who also are quite dead. Yes hes immortal in a sense like a Vampire but even a Vampire is of the Living Dead. Will can go to the other side cause he's part of the ship. Liz could if she joined the crew - just like Will's father - so she really doesn't need to be dead... or did you miss that?
KING Pirate said: SO Like i said WIll is QUite Dead~ And, once again, what would that have to do with anything? Also, he's kinda immortal. Dead and Undead - 2 different things... plus, beating heart, mate. Davy Jones died in the end... he wasn't dead prior to the films but by your rational he would be.... get it? |
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KING Pirate said: The only part of Davey Jones or WIll thats is alive is there heart thats beating in the chest thats why they can come ashore once every 10 years human beings that are alive cant go threw objects lol like Davey Jones did he also was on a Ghost ship the meaning is clear there dead do ya get it yet!! The heart has nothing to do with them coming to shore - Jones never died but he's not human, either. He was given powers by a Goddess and he misused them and became cursed. He's not a ghost nor is he dead... well, until the end.
KING Pirate said: Man you dont get much do ya!
There is no way Anyone actually watching the flims think Will is anything but Dead on the other side when hes on the dutchman its way anyone alive cant go with them. Its how hes mortal his living heart is in a box, thats why he comes back alive for one day from the dead a soul returns from the dead do ya get it Pal! lol He was killed... and then by killing Jones became immortal and his heart began to beat again. For now, he's alive... although it's disputable what would happen after the 10 years (as the writers themselves don't say what would happen but say Will could return to Liz and be free of the Dutchman - implying he's alive) Will is far from dead after killing Jones. And you're misunderstanding the green flash - but lots of people are confused by that since they added in a few flashes too many... if it means a soul comes back (and not necessarly to life but from the other side - as Jack and Barbossa did) then why does it also go off when Will leaves to the other side? The flash was misused in the end as even the writers stated on their forum.
KING Pirate said: I think you need to watch the movie about 30 times more dude. lol, I think you need to watch these movies once cause your points are not even close to what we're discussing.
KING Pirate said: But personally having there heart in a box makes ya quite dead, lol, this is just funny on it's own... but since I know what you're attempting to say - one could argue Barbossa and Jack are also very much dead but they're not. Neither is Will. They all found a magical loophole in a Disney film... not much of a stretch.
KING Pirate said: its why will cant ever be normal again his fricking heart is cut out noone is going to put it back. How do you know what happens when they specefically left out these details? You couldn't so please try and avoid making an invaild point without any backing to it.
KING Pirate said: Not to mention he was dying on the ship or maybe even was dead already when Jack held his arm up and then droped it on the heart for him. That made him the dutchman captain but then again before he became the captain of the dutchman having your heart cut out I am sure you would die lol it wasnt till after the dutchman went under water maybe to the otherside that Will reappeared as the captain. The ritual had to be complete before he became the Captain... but just like Jack and Barbossa some magical loophole saved him from death. He lives because he killed Davy Jones. What happens after 10 years, whether or not he ever COULD get his heart back into him, etc... is not answered so neither of us could say for sure but we can easily see that right now he's alive and was saved by a loophole the same way Jack was in the first... because technically, if you're claiming he has to die - despite the film not saying this - then why would Jack still be alive once they lifted the curse in the first film? He was stabbed through the chest, you know.
KING Pirate said: So I will contest Will is quite Dead, Able to come back from the dead side once every 10 years where he returns to the living for one night because his heart beats in the chest. Its also why the Dutchman cant go underwater with the heart aboard ship or travel to the otherside because the heart would logically stop beating under water or anything living would die on the other side. None of this is actually a fact but your opinion... the best part of your opinion is the heart... it NEVER even IMPLIED that the heart couldn't stay with the ship... in fact, IT HAD TO when Jones first was doing the job as he only cut his heart out AFTER he betrayed Calypso AFTER serving 10 years on the otherside. That makes your theory very wrong.
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