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Those "Pirates of the Caribbean 4" rumours just ramped up a bit with a report from Cinema Blend suggesting that sequel number three isn't just a possibility, it's a certainity.

Johnny Depp and Geoffrey Rush will return for the next film - nobody else from the original three films will return as the series will now center on Jack Sparrow, played by Depp, says the site - with Gore Verbinski slated to again direct.

The site's scooper says that the next film could be an out-and-out-science fiction film. "Some of the brainstorming going around involves some Jules Verne type of scenarios involving some pretty big flying machines, a man who wants to rule more than just the ocean, a encounter with the most famous and dangerous pirate of all, a race to get to a lost world (Hint, Hint) and Jack and his crew going to where no pirate has gone before".

So I assume that means Atlantis?

The site's scooper says to expect the film in either 2009 or 2010.


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That is the most stupid thing ive ever heard in my life
1. No Orlando Bloom & Keira Knightly? thats retarted
2. Nobody wants to wait 2/3 years for a movie ESPECIALLY with OB and KK in it, but 9 months...yeah we will wait, 3 years? NO WAY!

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WTF??????? No OB or KK have they lost their ever-lovin minds????????????????? I think it's bullcrap if it only centers around Johnny Depp. Jack's funny but he needs Will and Elizabeth as his sidekicks

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Crazy4choco6 said:

2. Nobody wants to wait 2/3 years for a movie ESPECIALLY with OB and KK in it, but 9 months...yeah we will wait, 3 years? NO WAY!
I'm pretty sure that if they didn't start filming, yet; then the film won't nearly be finished wihin nine months.


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Brodie Baggins807 said:

Those "Pirates of the Caribbean 4" rumours just ramped up a bit with a report from Cinema Blend suggesting that sequel number three isn't just a possibility, it's a certainity.

Johnny Depp and Geoffrey Rush will return for the next film - nobody else from the original three films will return as the series will now center on Jack Sparrow, played by Depp, says the site - with Gore Verbinski slated to again direct.

The site's scooper says that the next film could be an out-and-out-science fiction film. "Some of the brainstorming going around involves some Jules Verne type of scenarios involving some pretty big flying machines, a man who wants to rule more than just the ocean, a encounter with the most famous and dangerous pirate of all, a race to get to a lost world (Hint, Hint) and Jack and his crew going to where no pirate has gone before".

So I assume that means Atlantis?

The site's scooper says to expect the film in either 2009 or 2010.
Now, this could potentially work out.

Will Turner and Elizabeth Swan have a happy life together, now it's time to make Jack Sparrow 's life worth having.


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I am okay with no Will or Elizabeth. We already know they live happily ever after.
Now Jack can get into a new adventure.


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Captain Jack is obviously going to have new side-kicks... maybe Barbossa, maybe more... and I'm going to assume some of the regular crew will be along for the ride (eg, that guy with the fake eye).
But who knows. Personally, I hope they don't have Bloom or Knightley... I'm bored with them after 3 movies. Bring on some newbies.



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TonyG said:

Captain Jack is obviously going to have new side-kicks... maybe Barbossa, maybe more... and I'm going to assume some of the regular crew will be along for the ride (eg, that guy with the fake eye).
If this article is true then that won't be happening as it stated:
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Johnny Depp and Geoffrey Rush will return for the next film - nobody else from the original three films will return as the series will now center on Jack Sparrow, played by Depp, says the site - with Gore Verbinski slated to again direct.
But, TonyG , I do think you have a good idea. (in my oppinion)


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Stone Roller! said:

TonyG said:

Captain Jack is obviously going to have new side-kicks... maybe Barbossa, maybe more... and I'm going to assume some of the regular crew will be along for the ride (eg, that guy with the fake eye).
If this article is true then that won't be happening as it stated


I was wondering that too. THAT would stink. Hopefully they meant Keira and Bloom not coming back... that I can live with, but none of the memorable crew? That would be an absolutely retarded thing to do. Let the movies go before everyone quits, including Depp!




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BETPiece2010 said:

I was wondering that too. THAT would stink. Hopefully they meant Keira and Bloom not coming back... that I can live with, but none of the memorable crew? That would be an absolutely retarded thing to do. Let the movies go before everyone quits, including Depp!
Yeah, I know... Which is why I hope:

1) This article isn't true
2) That it meant just Will Turner and Elizabeth Swan left.


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If the article is true, they only meant Keira and Orlando. None of the others ever recieved top billing so they wouldn't be listed as right now or probably even signed on till the script was finished. Depp and Rush are the main players so they'd have to be signed on before the story got to script phases or it'd be very time consuming to re-write if one passed on the script when it was done. Bit parts can be written out in a matter of minutes or just altered to be some other character.


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I am okay with no Will or Elizabeth. We already know they live happily ever after.
Now Jack can get into a new adventure.


Agreed, but it would still need a fantastic story to draw me in. Jones is dead as is his legacy . . . darn.


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The only chacter that had a end in this story was Will hes Dead and had to become the Captian of the Dutchman he will now live as the capt forever until someone else stabs his heart and takes his place he will take care of the dead souls lost at sea otherwise be cursed like Davey jones.

Liz is stuck rasing a child bye herself looking forward to one day every 10 years to see Will, thats not even close to being a good ending or acceptable she could actual could have another story and plot that could take up some of that time pining for Will 10 years is a long long time.

Jack will always have another story and Barrbosa should of stayed dead hes about the most boring character in the whole movie!

They need to have Keria and Johnny Back period there is so much more those two could hit on and there chemistery is kewl.

Pay her what ever she wants to do more pirate movies with Depp~

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Barbossa = Boring? You're crazy.

And Liz's story was about her and Will. Not her and Jack. That's just dumb. Her story is done and the actress even said she wouldn't come back because of how long she's played the character.


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Yeah Barbossa is stupid, first off thats all he does is steal Jacks ship!

Why in the heck would jack ever leave his ship in that guys hands ever, he wouldnt of left his ship with him aboard jacks not that stupid to go ashore and leave him aboard he would of gotten rid of him asp.

I think its alittle old to say Barbossa would be able to just steal jacks ship not once but twice!

Jack would of droped him off at on lsland right after killing Davey JOnes, sorry Barbossa needed to go more then Liz going to see WIll. That would of been Jacks first move period~

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And the Pirates movies were about all three of them not WIll and Liz relationship it was about Pirates and there lifes.

FIrst off Will, was a pirate he didnt even know it at first. Liz was like royality but perfered ever sense meeting Jack to living free like a pirate and enjoyed being around Jack and Will. Jack well hes just the greatiest pirate there ever lived but he cant seem to keep his ship from being stolen from one man a pirate.

SO the whole movie was about Pirates and there lifes not Will and Liz relationship matter fact in Part three they didnt even hardly talk to eachother there loved looked more like Distrust because each had other feelings one wanted to save his father more then anything and the other wanted Jack and it was bothering her for 2/3 of the whole story.

So yeah the Movie was way more deeper then just two peoples love story it was more like a LOve triangle between 5 people LIZ AND WILL / JACK and Lets not forget Davey and CLepso!

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KING Pirate said:

Yeah Barbossa is stupid, first off thats all he does is steal Jacks ship!

Why in the heck would jack ever leave his ship in that guys hands ever, he wouldnt of left his ship with him aboard jacks not that stupid to go ashore and leave him aboard he would of gotten rid of him asp.

I think its alittle old to say Barbossa would be able to just steal jacks ship not once but twice!

Jack would of droped him off at on lsland right after killing Davey JOnes, sorry Barbossa needed to go more then Liz going to see WIll. That would of been Jacks first move period~


Actually, Barbossa and Jack know the eachother well enough to know what the others plan is. They work well on screen and Rush has continued to do an amazing job as the former Cursed Pirate Barbossa. Him and Jack on screen together were some of the best moments in the film.

KING Pirate said:

And the Pirates movies were about all three of them not WIll and Liz relationship it was about Pirates and there lifes.

Actually, the first 3 were primarily about Will and Liz with Jack taking on the role of Han Solo. His introduction into their lives forever altered their lives' and brought them together. But he's, more or less, a secondary character who only appears more of a main character cause Depp shines so brightly as the good Captain Jack.

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FIrst off Will, was a pirate he didnt even know it at first. Liz was like royality but perfered ever sense meeting Jack to living free like a pirate and enjoyed being around Jack and Will. Jack well hes just the greatiest pirate there ever lived but he cant seem to keep his ship from being stolen from one man a pirate.
Actually, no... Will believes in what's right. As he states in the first - he stands in between Jack and Norrington. He's not allined himself with either because he believes in the "right" coarse of action and only cares for others' and not himself. And Liz did NOT suddenly want to be "free"... in fact, she didn't trust Sparrow at all in the first film and it wasn't till the end that she made her feelings known... and that wasn't that she lusted or loved him but also believed in breaking the rules to do the right thing. In DMC, she paid the price for her actions and knowning Jack would not willing help set things right, she used him to try and fix things in her life. She was never trying to "live free" - she just wanted to be with the man she loved which was Will. And Jack isn't the greatest pirate that ever lived... he's just smart and allignes himself with everyone while plotting out how he'll work it all into his favor.

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SO the whole movie was about Pirates and there lifes not Will and Liz relationship matter fact in Part three they didnt even hardly talk to eachother there loved looked more like Distrust because each had other feelings one wanted to save his father more then anything and the other wanted Jack and it was bothering her for 2/3 of the whole story.
Her sin bothered her... not Jack's demise. Had he sacraficed himself, she wouldn't care. She felt Will's eye's looking at her and feared he knew what she did to Jack. For a person like her... it's almost inhuman to kill some one so you could live... especaially the way she did by leading him on to his death. And no, the films aren't just about Will and Elizabeth just like Star Wars isn't just about Luke and his father... but they are the main story ark of the first 3 films. The story started when they first met and ended with their reunion. And Jack was able to sail out of their lives the same way he sailed in... on another quest to get back the Pearl and find immortality as while as meet new people along the way and change their lives as well. Will and Liz are done.

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So yeah the Movie was way more deeper then just two peoples love story it was more like a LOve triangle between 5 people LIZ AND WILL / JACK and Lets not forget Davey and CLepso!

Actually, the Love Triangle involved Liz, Will, Jack, and James. But in the end she ended up with the man she loved and the man who loved her the most.


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Actually She ended up with no one, will is Dead as Davey Jones was threw out the whole movie. He will never be the man she fell in love with hes gone forever and she will see him what 4 times if shes lucky back then people didnt live to 100.

No stars wars was about Darth Vader it wasnt about LUke or anyone else if you listen too the directors it was always about what happen to Anikan they just introduced Luke to ya first. The Star Wars movies were always about Darth Vader it was his complete story from Middle threw the end,and begining!

Just like Pirates, the movie showed ya characters that would come into Captian Jacks life and change its outcome.
Once he met WIll and Liz there lifes would be connected.
Will had a destiny to be the Captain of the Dutchman not be with Liz like we all thought! He would slay Davey Jones.
Liz went from being a young lady of royality and turned herself into a full fledge Pirate, a sidekick to Jack for years to come I dont see her siting at home after all this excitment she fits in with Jack.

Captain Jack is the Main character of the whole movie, hes the one that saves Liz in the beging from drowning hes the one who actually takes Will to save her when kidnap without him Liz wouldnt of been alive. Hes the who put will in place to find the key, while he went after the chest because he needed both pieces. Hes the one who came back to the pearl and saved everyone and then was betrayed bye Liz to save everyone else.
Jack always knew what he was doing, his plan was to use people to help him! People say he betrayed others thats false he used others as tools to make things as right as he could.

Not always did it work out, like making a deal with Barbossa and Jack telling his men to hit the boats for Norrington could blow them up instead they went for a walk under water. Jack puting Will on the Dutchman to find the Key, while he searched for the CHest in the end to free not just him but barter for everyone from Jones! Even at the end its about Jack being stranded and set sailing after the fountain of youth.

Its always been about Jack, the rest are supporting players in Jacks life they even showed his father and mother!LOL

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Actually She ended up with no one, will is Dead as Davey Jones was threw out the whole movie. He will never be the man she fell in love with hes gone forever and she will see him what 4 times if shes lucky back then people didnt live to 100.
First, Will's heart still beats so he's not really dead... he's currently immortal. Second, your assuming he'd never "be the man" she fell for but where would you base this opinion on? He's still Will. He's still doing the right thing for the right reasons. He still loves her and she still loves him. Seems the same to me just less time together... and to be far, that's probably better because they seem to drive eachother insane when they're together too long (as most couples do).

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No stars wars was about Darth Vader it wasnt about LUke or anyone else if you listen too the directors it was always about what happen to Anikan they just introduced Luke to ya first. The Star Wars movies were always about Darth Vader it was his complete story from Middle threw the end,and begining!
Star Wars wasn't about JUST one thing was the point that you failed to grasp. And why would you say "middle through the end and begining"? lol

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Just like Pirates, the movie showed ya characters that would come into Captian Jacks life and change its outcome.
Once he met WIll and Liz there lifes would be connected.
Will had a destiny to be the Captain of the Dutchman not be with Liz like we all thought! He would slay Davey Jones.
Liz went from being a young lady of royality and turned herself into a full fledge Pirate, a sidekick to Jack for years to come I dont see her siting at home after all this excitment she fits in with Jack.
In your opinion but not in the creators nor in all the fans. I think that would be the most idiotic thing ever and make no sense with the character we were introduced to. Also, Jack came into THEIR lives not other way around. We've always began the films with them and their story was always story A. Jack was just the supporting character who altered their lives. In the end Jack is in the same place he began.

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Captain Jack is the Main character of the whole movie, hes the one that saves Liz in the beging from drowning hes the one who actually takes Will to save her when kidnap without him Liz wouldnt of been alive. Hes the who put will in place to find the key, while he went after the chest because he needed both pieces. Hes the one who came back to the pearl and saved everyone and then was betrayed bye Liz to save everyone else.
Jack was a supporting character to the main story of Will and Liz. The film's did not start with him nor did the series end with him and nothing really changed from when he was introduced as opposed to Will and Liz whose lives changed completely.
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Jack always knew what he was doing, his plan was to use people to help him! People say he betrayed others thats false he used others as tools to make things as right as he could.

Not always did it work out, like making a deal with Barbossa and Jack telling his men to hit the boats for Norrington could blow them up instead they went for a walk under water. Jack puting Will on the Dutchman to find the Key, while he searched for the CHest in the end to free not just him but barter for everyone from Jones! Even at the end its about Jack being stranded and set sailing after the fountain of youth.

Its always been about Jack, the rest are supporting players in Jacks life they even showed his father and mother!LOL

You really need to watch these movies again... that's all I'm gonna say.


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LOL I own both movies and will have the 3rd to complete the set, I think you need to watch the movie more and look outside just WIlls and Liz love dude.

I think the movie is about Jack Sparrow and Will and Liz just happen to be used as tools threwout to help him in his quests.

This wasnt a Love story it was far from being just that it wasnt named Pirates of the carribbean not I love ya Will!


So go watch it again and please stop watching just WIll and LIz kiss!

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Not to mention, maybe you need to watch the commentary the two guys speaking during the movie get someone elses view about whats going on. I like to comment on what I see but I also listen to what others think about what happen before I come up with my opinion.

You need to maybe get a fresh outside view except for your own if you have not watch the commentary people speak about what they think occur perhaps your way off on your thinking!

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LOL Liz and WIlls life change compeltely. Well i would say over 75% of the characters lives changed compeltely first off Norrington went from being a big shot miltary man to be a pig hand to being so so dead, Davey Jones went from being a ruthless ghost of himself to a cursed ghost of himself to being quite dead. The point is every person outside the man character which was Jack Sparrow ended in Death or much worse fate usually the hero of the story keeps on a ticking in the end which Jack Sparrow Did do except he lost his ship again which really wasnt ment to be his because thats why he was in debt to Davey Jones in the first place so hes always been without his ship or maybe he should of been.

I love arguing with ya, but the point still is the movie ended stupid! I am not the only one in America who feels this way I am sure many were disappointed in how they ended a great Series of movies.

They will have a Part 4, the Main Character of the story will be back JAck SParrow and they will do everything in there power to get KEira back but she might never want back. There is no need for WIll ( Orlando) who was just a ROle character in the whole flick and outside of doing Jacks biddings has no future since hes now quite dead!

Another point you seem to miss is WHy can Will go to the otherside but liz cant, perhaps because hes on a ghost ship where hes quite dead and has a crew of people who also are quite dead. Yes hes immortal in a sense like a Vampire but even a Vampire is of the Living Dead.

SO Like i said WIll is QUite Dead~

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LOL I own both movies and will have the 3rd to complete the set, I think you need to watch the movie more and look outside just WIlls and Liz love dude.
What are you talking about? Seriously, I've never been focused on any one thing but you are and it's something that isn't even in the films.

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I think the movie is about Jack Sparrow and Will and Liz just happen to be used as tools threwout to help him in his quests.
And yet, in the end, nothing really is resolved for Sparrow... nor did the film series start with Sparrow or end with Sparrow... although I agree he's a central part of the story - it's clear as day he's not the primary focus.

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This wasnt a Love story it was far from being just that it wasnt named Pirates of the carribbean not I love ya Will!
Once again, you do realize that each film is not just about one simple thing. The main story of these three films is Will and Elizabeth... the next ones will either be Jack stories or some new characters he meets along the way.


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So go watch it again and please stop watching just WIll and LIz kiss!

lol, you should really actually watch the films for what they are not look into things that aren't there. Let's be honest, you're whole argument is simply YOU dislike how the series ended... so? That doesn't change the ending or the characters. You may not agree but from someone whose seen the movies numerous times and read the sceenplays - I see nothing to support your argument for a better ending. As far as your opinion on Sparrow's role in the films... you are able to piece together that in stories the main characters go through changes and are forever different after the expierence which is not the case for Sparrow in these films.

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Not to mention, maybe you need to watch the commentary the two guys speaking during the movie get someone elses view about whats going on. I like to comment on what I see but I also listen to what others think about what happen before I come up with my opinion.
LOL what are you talking about now? Those two guys I assume you're talking about are the writers and I have listend to the commentary and seen their responses to all the random questions fans have on their forums and read the scripts... also, being that they are the writers it's not their opinion but their story to tell how they want to tell it... and never did their story incorporate or support the idea that Liz belongs with Jack sailing the seas. That's completely against what the character is.

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You need to maybe get a fresh outside view except for your own if you have not watch the commentary people speak about what they think occur perhaps your way off on your thinking!
lol I think you should re-read your words and follow your own advice on this one cause you're way off.


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KING Pirate said:

LOL Liz and WIlls life change compeltely. Well i would say over 75% of the characters lives changed compeltely first off Norrington went from being a big shot miltary man to be a pig hand to being so so dead, Davey Jones went from being a ruthless ghost of himself to a cursed ghost of himself to being quite dead. The point is every person outside the man character which was Jack Sparrow ended in Death or much worse fate usually the hero of the story keeps on a ticking in the end which Jack Sparrow Did do except he lost his ship again which really wasnt ment to be his because thats why he was in debt to Davey Jones in the first place so hes always been without his ship or maybe he should of been.
I'm sorry I only skimmed this because I don't see what point you're trying to make here... yes, everyone's life is altered EXCEPT Jack who sailed through these films in a supporting role.

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I love arguing with ya, but the point still is the movie ended stupid! I am not the only one in America who feels this way I am sure many were disappointed in how they ended a great Series of movies.
Great thing about America... everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I'm not saying "don't hate it"... go ahead and hate it. Doesn't change how I feel about it (which I actually have yet to state since what's my personal opinion have to do with it) but we're discussing your "ideal" ending as opposed to the one in the film now. And my point is still just - what you claim as a perfect end is anything but. It's completely un-characteristic of Liz nor did the writers want it that way ever so how is it you're still trying to argue it?

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They will have a Part 4, the Main Character of the story will be back JAck SParrow and they will do everything in there power to get KEira back but she might never want back. There is no need for WIll ( Orlando) who was just a ROle character in the whole flick and outside of doing Jacks biddings has no future since hes now quite dead!
Jack will be back (presumably as a main character since the main story of the first 3 films - Will and Liz - is wrapped up). To call Will a "role character" (which I have no idea what you mean except maybe you mean 'supporting character') is just completely incorrect but neither he nor Liz are coming back (nor will Disney try and get them back) since the main stroy arc has been resolved. Jack should take helm in the next 3 and be the main character but that's not even a guarentee yet. The writers can easily introduce new characters and have Jack sail through their lives' like he did Will and Liz's.

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Another point you seem to miss is WHy can Will go to the otherside but liz cant, perhaps because hes on a ghost ship where hes quite dead and has a crew of people who also are quite dead. Yes hes immortal in a sense like a Vampire but even a Vampire is of the Living Dead.
Will can go to the other side cause he's part of the ship. Liz could if she joined the crew - just like Will's father - so she really doesn't need to be dead... or did you miss that?

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SO Like i said WIll is QUite Dead~
And, once again, what would that have to do with anything? Also, he's kinda immortal. Dead and Undead - 2 different things... plus, beating heart, mate. Davy Jones died in the end... he wasn't dead prior to the films but by your rational he would be.... get it?


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The only part of Davey Jones or WIll thats is alive is there heart thats beating in the chest thats why they can come ashore once every 10 years human beings that are alive cant go threw objects lol like Davey Jones did he also was on a Ghost ship the meaning is clear there dead do ya get it yet!!

Man you dont get much do ya!
There is no way Anyone actually watching the flims think Will is anything but Dead on the other side when hes on the dutchman its way anyone alive cant go with them. Its how hes mortal his living heart is in a box, thats why he comes back alive for one day from the dead a soul returns from the dead do ya get it Pal!

I think you need to watch the movie about 30 times more dude.

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But personally having there heart in a box makes ya quite dead, its why will cant ever be normal again his fricking heart is cut out noone is going to put it back. Not to mention he was dying on the ship or maybe even was dead already when Jack held his arm up and then droped it on the heart for him. That made him the dutchman captain but then again before he became the captain of the dutchman having your heart cut out I am sure you would die lol it wasnt till after the dutchman went under water maybe to the otherside that Will reappeared as the captain.

So I will contest Will is quite Dead, Able to come back from the dead side once every 10 years where he returns to the living for one night because his heart beats in the chest. Its also why the Dutchman cant go underwater with the heart aboard ship or travel to the otherside because the heart would logically stop beating under water or anything living would die on the other side.

SO again WIll is quite dead dude~

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KING Pirate said:

The only part of Davey Jones or WIll thats is alive is there heart thats beating in the chest thats why they can come ashore once every 10 years human beings that are alive cant go threw objects lol like Davey Jones did he also was on a Ghost ship the meaning is clear there dead do ya get it yet!!
The heart has nothing to do with them coming to shore - Jones never died but he's not human, either. He was given powers by a Goddess and he misused them and became cursed. He's not a ghost nor is he dead... well, until the end.

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Man you dont get much do ya!
There is no way Anyone actually watching the flims think Will is anything but Dead on the other side when hes on the dutchman its way anyone alive cant go with them. Its how hes mortal his living heart is in a box, thats why he comes back alive for one day from the dead a soul returns from the dead do ya get it Pal!
lol He was killed... and then by killing Jones became immortal and his heart began to beat again. For now, he's alive... although it's disputable what would happen after the 10 years (as the writers themselves don't say what would happen but say Will could return to Liz and be free of the Dutchman - implying he's alive) Will is far from dead after killing Jones. And you're misunderstanding the green flash - but lots of people are confused by that since they added in a few flashes too many... if it means a soul comes back (and not necessarly to life but from the other side - as Jack and Barbossa did) then why does it also go off when Will leaves to the other side? The flash was misused in the end as even the writers stated on their forum.

KING Pirate said:

I think you need to watch the movie about 30 times more dude.
lol, I think you need to watch these movies once cause your points are not even close to what we're discussing.

KING Pirate said:

But personally having there heart in a box makes ya quite dead,
lol, this is just funny on it's own... but since I know what you're attempting to say - one could argue Barbossa and Jack are also very much dead but they're not. Neither is Will. They all found a magical loophole in a Disney film... not much of a stretch.

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its why will cant ever be normal again his fricking heart is cut out noone is going to put it back.
How do you know what happens when they specefically left out these details? You couldn't so please try and avoid making an invaild point without any backing to it.
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Not to mention he was dying on the ship or maybe even was dead already when Jack held his arm up and then droped it on the heart for him. That made him the dutchman captain but then again before he became the captain of the dutchman having your heart cut out I am sure you would die lol it wasnt till after the dutchman went under water maybe to the otherside that Will reappeared as the captain.
The ritual had to be complete before he became the Captain... but just like Jack and Barbossa some magical loophole saved him from death. He lives because he killed Davy Jones. What happens after 10 years, whether or not he ever COULD get his heart back into him, etc... is not answered so neither of us could say for sure but we can easily see that right now he's alive and was saved by a loophole the same way Jack was in the first... because technically, if you're claiming he has to die - despite the film not saying this - then why would Jack still be alive once they lifted the curse in the first film? He was stabbed through the chest, you know.

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So I will contest Will is quite Dead, Able to come back from the dead side once every 10 years where he returns to the living for one night because his heart beats in the chest. Its also why the Dutchman cant go underwater with the heart aboard ship or travel to the otherside because the heart would logically stop beating under water or anything living would die on the other side.
None of this is actually a fact but your opinion... the best part of your opinion is the heart... it NEVER even IMPLIED that the heart couldn't stay with the ship... in fact, IT HAD TO when Jones first was doing the job as he only cut his heart out AFTER he betrayed Calypso AFTER serving 10 years on the otherside. That makes your theory very wrong.


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Barbossa isnt really boring neither is he important to the movie
they should just had him become the new Dutchman instead of Will, so that everyone can move on with their lives and Will and Elizabeth dont have to suffer of not seeing eachother.
I also think they should have made Barbossa captain because that would just put him basically out of the story, and Will, Jack, and Elizabeth are a cool trio and they rock.

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lol a trio like the Musketeers? Jack, Will, and Liz don't really "work together" well. I actually enjoy seeing Barbossa and Sparrow together more since those two characters (and the actors that play them) are just so amazing together.


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I could care less about Will or Elizabeth, jack is what made these movies... so bring it on!


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