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| The Passion of the Christ |
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| POSTED Friday , March 05, 2004 08:46:01 AM |
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Gay marriage
Since this seems to be a religious concern more than anything else, I guess this is the best place to pose this question.
Why is gay marriage such a big concern for conservitives?
I keep hearing that Bush wants to protect marriage. And that brings up many questions.
1. Protect it from what? Is there a belief that without immediate help people will stop getting married or that those of us who are married will somehow be effected if gays are also married? It doesn't effect the sanctity of my marriage. This year my wife and I will have been together for 10 years, married for 5.
2. If it is a religious thing, then how can it be legal to ban it since there is seperation of church and state? I mean, to do that you'd have to change the Constitution or something...
3. Also, marriage is a religious thing, meant for reproduction and the continuation of the specias, then why allow an unfertile woman or man to enter into a heterosexual marriage? And why can athiests get married at a justice of the peace?
4. If protecting the sanctity of marriage is the sorce of all this, then why not start by banning divorce or limiting the number of marriages a person can have or even by setting the minimum age for marriage at 25? Maybe a fine for cheating on a spouse?
All of these would reduce the "quickie" marriages that are almost always follwed by divorce.
Does anyone here support the President on this or not?
And let's all keep it civil. Afterall, an open dialoge is a good thing.
February 3, 1959
The Day The Music Died |
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[quote u='Cosmo_Kramer']if someone is attracted so someone of the same sex...thats there choice...
they cant help who they are..
~ I just love comments like the latter, but at the same time it is sad because so many people share that same opinion. People just want to be seperated from all accountabliliy and/or consequences for the choices that they make.
~ You say that it is their choice but that they can't make any choice other than to be gay. So is it a choice or are they hard wired to live unfulfilled lives.
~ I agree that people can chose to be gay but are they happy? Why do they then want people who aren't actively gay to accept them? The majority of americans accept the fact that normal people choose to live a gay lifestyle. Does that make gay people happy? The friends and family of most gay people are happy that they're happy, but does that make them happy? I would go so far as to say that 95% of americans believe that what happens between two consenting adults is strictly between them and who cares what the orientation is, but does that make these "we just want to have the same rights and benefits as everyone else" gay activists happy?
~ This is where I get oppinionated... Why do these special interest groups want to target the one fundamental institution in our predominately christian society. This one and only instituition that says "a man and a woman shall mary and become one flesh" and "what God has put together no man shall tear apart", is the only part of our society that we have always said is off limits to the gay community.
~ We are not to frown on their selfish and fatalistic lifestyle of actively gay people and yet we are supposed to abandon our faith, turn from our God, and hand over the keys to our society to people who can't even understand themselves.
~ Will giving marriage make gay couples happy? Gay activism is spreading lawsuits throughout our country so that marriage will turn into a whatever feels good instituition, and lawyers are helping gay activists fight for child custody rights, and adoption rights, and just recently in Canada the lawyers helping activists sue for social security survivors benefits. Do you honestly believe that any of these things will make actively gay americans happy?
~ Did you know that lawyer were the only people not allowed to live in the early colonies and were in fact the first people banished from the colonies (when they were found out). All this legislation is just more job security for lawyers, wrapped up and pretty politcialy correct speach, and destined to tear our country apart.
~ I'm not saying that heterosexual marriages are superior on face value. I agree that there are some people who should never be allowed to marry. Marriage is a privelage, not a right and I believe that more should be required of people before they are allowed to marry and likewise for those seeking divorce.
~ I say that "gay marriage" is an oxymoron and that gay activists want to eat of the forbidden fruit, spit into the face of our God, and then argue that they shouldn't be kicked out of Eden because they didn't swallow.
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LongShot said:
First, you ask if marriage will make gays happy. Obviously it would make them as happy as it makes heterosexuals.
~ As some heterosexuals, I would agree.
Secondly, no I do not think sexuality is a choice. I believe it is a genetic thing. So if God made you gay, how can God be mad at you for being gay? And how can you be kept from enjoying the joys of marriage?
~ Every human being is made in God's image and every human being is given a free will (freedom to chose). God doesn't want a heaven filled with doding idiots. Faith is a very personal relationship between each person and God. No one person can point a finger at any other and he "that one is in" and/or "that one is out". If everyone's choices are predetermined, where is the hope?
Third, you stress how marriage is a God thing. So then would you advocate banning marriage to athiests?
~ Atheists don't make a covenant before God and ask to receive his blessing.
What about divorce? Divorce is clearly against God's will according to the Bible. So would you advocate banning divorce?
~ Divorce is just another one of those lawyer thing. The church recognizes that mistakes are made and both the church and bible document this.
You seem concerned about all the lawyers, think of how many fewer lawyers there would be if there was no divorce.
~ I agree that lawyers play devil's advocate, but outside of our judicial system things are still a bit messier.
Marriage is already a "whatever feels good" institution. Just ask 55 hour Britney. But these gays who want to get married tend to be as dedicated to eachother as any heterosexual. So is that just a feel good thing or is that a life long commitment?
~ I never would've given those kids a marriage license and Vegas style weddings wouldn't be legal in my book anyway. My life has been touched by many long-term homosexual couples, but their happiness has never depended on forcing the community to endorse a wedding in the local Roman Catholic Church (which you and I both know is in the plans for some overly zealous activist).
There have been many solutions for the needs of homosexual couples already put into the law books. Do they really need to have the title of "Marriage" added to their trophy case?
Another thing, not all of the country is Christian.
~ 80% of this countries citizens still describe themselves as being christian of some denomination.
So how can you justify forcing your religious views on others when the constitution clearly states the seperation of Church and State.
~ I'd like to see you quote the article-chapter-and line where I can find that one.
Just as the government can't tell us we can't eat meat on Fridays during lent, despite the fact that the country is mostly Christian. That would be uncontitutional.
~ I agree.
Marriage is a right, not a privilage. The government can not tell me which woman I can marry. They can not tell me I must marry within my faith or within my race. They can't tell me that I need to be married by a certain age or that I may not be married if I wait till after a certain age. I do not need permission to get married, just a blood test.
~ In your own words "just a blood test" and not even that in some instances, but you still apply for that "License". How many "Rights" can you think of that require licenses. I can think of a few people that have switched from one lifestyle to the other, but I have yet to find a black person that has stopped being black (Michael Jackson doesn't count).
It is my right. Period. I defy you to show me any two heterosexual people of legal age who were denied the right to be married.
~ My aunt can no longer legally get married in the state of Maine because she has exceeded the limit (5).
And finally, they aren't spitting in anyone's face. They just want the same rights everyone else gets. Not more rights or special rights, just the same ones. Just like blacks wanted and women wanted. Aren't we all equal in the eyes of God and country?
~ Yes we are all equal and can chose to live as we please. Marriage is not an answer for the Gay community. Marriage is not the golden chalice. Gay marriage is still an oxymoron. Marriage in american society was not meant to be offered to everyone, but to serve a higher purpose. Granted that modern america has fumbled the ball more than once, but that doesn't mean we should just throw the institution of marriage away.
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butterfly173173173 said:
You guys have to understand that when President Bush says protect marrige he means that if people start sinning with gay marrige then it gets to being legal
yeh bush also said there where weapons of mass distrucion in iraq & it was an eminent threat...oops
What's to stop a man from marrying 3 woman,
the law that says it is between two people (though personally i do not see the problem with mulipul people marring as long as each person knows there are mulipul spouses)
or a woman marring a donkey, or a man marrying a cat, dog,
see this is simple...donkeys, cats, dogs, & even children cannot legaly sign contracts...they do not have the ablity of consent
The only reason people today accept gay marrige is because they've been around tv's that say it's ok and around people who've always thought it to be okay.
or maybe it is because it is a natural state that some people happen to be attracted to the oppocite sex (btw homosexaulity has been around long before TV & has been accepted in some cultrues long before TV, one of those cultures was the basis for wester civilisation)
& why is it not ok? cus god says so? who are you to seek for god? shouldnt that be left up to the homosexual & god?
They've done researches and found that gay people just have a disorder and with therapy they'll like the opposite sex like they were supposed too.
show me the studies? in all actuality this is widely not accepted...& do you know that the 'treatment' is now deemed unethical to be use done human? & when it was done it only worked for a short while, eventually the person reverted back to there natural state....
& the only reason that homosexuality did fit into the deffinition of a mental disorder is because so socity not becase of being gay?
I have ADD, but I don't go around saying ADD people have rights too and ADD people should be able to get married and that ADD people should be above the constitution and go against our four fathers rules.
as longshot pointed out...you can get marred & have ADD..& the fore fathers also said black men where worth less then a white man & that women where property
George Washington stated: A government can't be run without God and the Bible. The people of America have too see this and understand that gay marrige is just disordered people who either don't want therapy or don't want anything to do with the opposite sex. I think I've stated my case here.
-Alycia Peters
A proud follower of Jesus Christ.
Age: Thirteen
or maybe you have to see that it isnt a disorder & you are the one who has to open your mind & stop speaking for god |
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Longshot said:
DOBV: You truely frighten me with your words.
As for why some gays then get into a heterosexual relationship, there canbe many reasons. Maybe they are bisexual, maybe they are giving in to hatefull people who abhore gays. Maybe they are religious and feel it is better to live a lie as a heterosexual than "sin" by being true to themselves.
Again, you speak ofhow gays want to get married in a Church. I agree that the Church has the right to be closed minded on this. But why prevent them from getting maried by a judge?
~ A spokeswoman from the ACLU is quoted as saying that "Ethics and morals have no business in legislating government", which are words that truly scare me.
~ She also said that "if marriage is a religous institution, maybe churches should be the only places that perform marriages and everything else would be civil unions", which is an oversimplification but an idea that still has some merit.
~ To me, a judge performing a marriage is more like the handing down of a sentence than a celebration of love and commitment.
~ I'm not so much concerned about gay couples wanting to get married in the church, because there are churches where this already takes place. My concern is gay activists who want to destroy the church, because it doesn't endorse their chosen lifestyle.
~ Catholic priests are to abstain from sex in any form and yet look at the mess that the Catholic church is going through now. Because a few individuals failed miserably at staying true to their calling, should the churches be burned?
~ The family and friends that I have who are openly gay are some of the best people that I know and I do not fault them for their orientation.
~ I guess I would say that gay couples want to have marriage, they want to have children, they want to have these things just like heterosexual couples do. Even though by the laws of God and the laws of nature, niether of these things are possible.
~ If gay activists want to say that their genetic coding makes them gay and that their homosexul orientation is a fact of life, not a choice; then I say that marriage and children are in the genetic coding of heterosexual couples and that is a fact of life, not a choice that is right for everyone.
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