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In this modern, Web-ridden era of ours, advanced reviews and an endless succession of trailers and marketing ploys have mastered the art of making a bad movie look good or a good movie look better, eliminating that too-rare experience of discovering that a film you initially thought would be crap was actually quite the opposite. So count me surprised at the degree to which I enjoyed Dragonball: Evolution.

Right off the bat, hardcore fans will undoubtedly find things to pick apart with the adaptation, arguing that there's simply no way the movie could match the original anime. And you're right. It doesn't. And, really, what live-action movie ever could? The visual style, pacing, characters and storytelling are so unique to the animated series that any kind of slavish re-interpretation of them would almost certainly fail. This is the very same reason that Speed Racer never fired effectively on all cylinders, despite bravely attempting an inventive new approach. That said, Dragonball: Evolution is perhaps the most successful live-action film to date to utilize costume, production and audio design  not to mention some inspired fight choreography  to provide the flavor of anime without becoming overly cartoonish. It absolutely feels within the spirit of the presentation without attempting to be so overly loyal as to fall flat on its face.

Secondly, this is an origin story and it does a relatively good job of establishing a world and setting up the rules. The story is simple: Goku and his friends  Bulma, Yamacha and Master Roshi  must reunite the seven sacred Dragonballs before the evil Lord Piccolo can collect them and destroy the world. No doubt, the film takes its liberties, and it'll depend entirely upon your level of sensitivity whether you're OK with them. For example, the world in which the movie takes place is much more Westernized  a cross-cultural melting-pot, practically conceived, one imagines, to make the movie more marketable. But the mythology itself, as well as some of the set design and plot elements, never make the film feel too far away from its Eastern roots.



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The problem with most of those movies is simply that nobody takes them seriously. At best, they're cash-cows for videogame tie-in's and product placement, created as an excuse to display some flashy fight choreography and set design, but never sufficiently funded to feel anything other than cheap. Nobody ever pays attention to the story, let alone the level of performance. But with Dragonball, the fan base is simply too large, the phenomenon too massive, to try and sneak by some half-hearted cinematic effort.

And aside from the obvious, though certainly not grand, budget, what makes Dragonball at least half-way entertaining is the cast. Justin Chatwin is immensely likeable in this role, and while Goku's journey is absolutely nothing we haven't seen before  save the world, protect your friends and avenge the death of your master  he and the rest of the cast do an admirable job at creating characters the audience can actually care about. Chow Yun-Fat captures the whimsical, half-drunken essence of Roshi and Emmy Rossum, despite being something of a departure from the anime's vision of Bulma, brings a lot of kick-ass chick charisma to the role. None of which would matter at all if the script, written by Ben Ramsey, didn't stop the action and pause the special effects to offer a handful of rather effective character beats. Dragonball isn't just about getting to the next set piece  of which there are plenty  and chooses, instead, to allow its characters moments to be just that characters. And fortunately, with the exception of Yamacha  who is arguably the least well-drawn  most of the cast rises to the challenge.


Keep in mind that the film is nowhere near perfect. There are a few obvious plot-holes and the occasional eye-rolling, too-convenient coincidence. Lord Piccolo simply isn't given enough to do to make him appear extremely menacing, and his make-up looks as if it had been pulled straight from the storage closet of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Will people find reasons to hate Dragonball? Absolutely. And will others find reasons to enjoy it? You bet. But we suspect that the younger, less discriminating fans in the audience will like it well enough and that their parents just might, surprisingly, have a good time as well. The older, more set-in-their-ways crowd will undoubtedly pick it apart, but at the very least, we here at IGN think there's something to enjoy, if not necessarily love, about Dragonball: Evolution.


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We saw good reviews after Superman Returns came out. It still sucked.

This film was made for kids more than even Fantastic Four was. It was a joke. A really bad joke. I can guarantee you that SaveDragonBall.com (or something like it) is on its way....


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infamous_emijayne said:

We saw good reviews after Superman Returns came out. It still sucked.

This film was made for kids more than even Fantastic Four was. It was a joke. A really bad joke. I can guarantee you that SaveDragonBall.com (or something like it) is on its way....
If you made a save dragonball site, you would be a worldwide hero


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I stopped reading it. If he's going to lie to me then there's no point in going any further.



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What the review says is that if you're a die-hard dragonball fan then, you're going to hate this movie no matter what, because it doesn't follow YOUR version of the movie that you've all had planned out in your head for years and years. If your like him, however, and just walk in open-minded, and leave your judgements at the door, and aren't so darn sensitive to changes, then you'll actually enjoy the movie. So, you all are going to hate this movie, just like so many were destined to hate the new Indiana Jones movie. You've been waiting for it for so long that you have your own perfect version of it built up in your mind, a version so perfect that nothing, no matter how faithful, could live up to it.

Now, I haven't seen the movie, I have no idea if it's something that I'll end up enjoying , but I've read a lot of reviews that echo exactly what IGN's review says.

But hey, that's just my two cents.


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drwcomics said:

What the review says is that if you're a die-hard dragonball fan then, you're going to hate this movie no matter what, because it doesn't follow YOUR version of the movie that you've all had planned out in your head for years and years. If your like him, however, and just walk in open-minded, and leave your judgements at the door, and aren't so darn sensitive to changes, then you'll actually enjoy the movie. So, you all are going to hate this movie, just like so many were destined to hate the new Indiana Jones movie. You've been waiting for it for so long that you have your own perfect version of it built up in your mind, a version so perfect that nothing, no matter how faithful, could live up to it.

Now, I haven't seen the movie, I have no idea if it's something that I'll end up enjoying , but I've read a lot of reviews that echo exactly what IGN's review says.

But hey, that's just my two cents.




I know what he's saying, but this film (as a film in general) was so bad it makes Uwe Boll films look good.


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Regaurldess what Emi says. I think she with many others are just to upset about all the changes to see this movie or any ther adaptation to see what it really is. Shes becoming like Batstud as in she seems to think her oppion is fact..

I agree it probly won't make much profit but you need to quit pusecuting pepole who do like it.


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Yeah, I cant' stand people who treat their opinions as fact either, and judge others who don't share that opinion, but hey, it's the internet, yelling at someone who disagrees with you is, sadly, commonplace here.

And Emi, I highly doubt that it's worse than an uwe boll "movie", I DO however understand that you, personally absolutely hated it, just as you would have no matter what. That being said, I still haven't seen this movie, I do however want to give it a fair shot.


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But she is correct, it is a bad film, and not just Dragonball fans are saying it. Critics in general hate the film, only a handful like it, most people who go see it say it was stupid fans and non-fans alike. Sure some people like it, but that's like saying some people liked Batman & Robin for Arnold's riveting performance as Mr. Freeze.

Just read the numbers and you'll see; at Rottentomatoes the Critics percentage is 17%, and even in RT user community it's only got 36%. Those aren't good numbers, and I've seen the film (for free to be honest) and yet I still feel cheated for wasting that much time of my life looking at it, and retaining the horrible memories. Adaption or not, nothing excuses poor acting, poor effects, and poor, disjointed, story structure.

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By the way, the 17%, for those who don't feel like seeing it for themselves, is because only 5 out of 30 critics liked the film, and the bad community reviews out number the good ones 89 to 156.

[SPOILER] Btw, Piccolo's (death?) is so abrupt and confusing it makes Kate Beckinsale's in Van Helsing look like a beautiful piece of drama [/SPOILER]


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And here's the IGN review from the UK edition...

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Dragonball Evolution UK Review
A cynical and charmless attempt to cash in on one of the most beloved anime franchises of all time.
by Orlando Parfitt, IGN UK

UK, April 6, 2009 - Dragonball Evolution has finally screened, and IGN is sad to report that our worse fears about this ill-fated project have come true.

The main reasons the various Dragonball franchises have so successfully endeared themselves into the hearts of millions of fans is the series' unique mix of characterization, humour, madcap energy and kinetic fight sequences. These attributes seem to have been lost however as the project passed through Hollywood.

The Dragonball mythology is dispensed with in a an extremely quick pre-credit sequence, and before long we are plunged into the main story, with Justin Chatwin's Goku being trained by his sparkly-eyed granddad Gohan. He is given a strange orb called a 'Dragonball' for his 18th birthday, and told that only seven of the balls exist and when they are united a dragon is summoned which will grant any wish to the one who possesses them.

Later that day a tragedy changes Goku's life forever, and sends him on a quest to find the magic orbs before the evil alien Lord Piccolo (James Marsters), who intends to use their unlimited power to destroy the world. On his travels Goku is helped by the feisty Bulma Briefs (Emmy Rossum), thief with a heart of gold Yamacha (Joon Park) and Chow Yun-fat's slightly-sleazy master Roshi.

As the spiky-haired hero, Justin Chatwin is a likeable and understated presence at the heart of the movie, but it's still the case that his casting has to come to represent the bland Americanisation of Dragonball. Despite the wealth of Asian talent thrown in the mix, this is still very much a Hollywood interpretation of the franchise that spectacularly fails to replicate what made the original series popular.

The biggest problem, by far, is the terrible, terrible script. The straightforward plot - 'find the Dragonballs' - gives scope for an epic, Star Wars-style fairy-tale, but at only 84 minutes, this is 'Dragonball lite', a story that skims along the surface of the mythology, the plot, and the characters.

From a basic filmmaking perspective, Evolution is botched. Storylines are rushed - Master Roshi's desire to train Goku for his battle with Piccolo is dispensed with in a couple of scenes, for example. The confusing and illogical narrative is relentlessly pushed forward without ever building tension or drama. We are never given time to get to know or like the characters, or understand their relationships. You never truly fear or care that James Marsters' villainous Piccolo is trying to destroy the world, because he is only given six minutes screen time.

The ridiculously frenetic, outlandish action of the source material has also been updated to by-numbers wire-work kung fu that we've seen thousands of times since The Matrix. Imagine a live-action incarnation of the Dragonball anime's violence (if such a thing were possible) - it would be mind blowing, but studio 20th Century Fox didn't have the ambition to try and replicate it here.

How we wish producer Stephen Chow (who did amazing chopsocky work on the likes of Shaolin Soccer and Kung Fu Hustle) had either directed the film (instead of Final: Destination James Wong), or at least been able to transport some of his talent and personality into this production. His contribution is anonymous.

Dragonball Evolution is a charmless, somewhat cynical attempt to cash in on one of the most beloved anime franchises of all time. The film will disgust die-hard fans, and just baffle those unfamiliar with the source. Whilst the movie may have some appeal to very young viewers, this movie should be avoided if you're over the age of 10.


BTW....The SuperHeroHype poll is so lopsided right now...

0 of 10 stars = 42.6%?? Out of 1140 votes?? And in the second spot is 1 of 10 stars = 10.9%. Has this ever happened on anything besides a Uwe Boll film??


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I guess we should passive aggressively insult people who don't agree with us all while giving hypocritical spurious intellectual lectures.



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I didn't say it was a good film, Though what is good is in the eye of the beholder.

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Maverick Hunter said:

But she is correct, it is a bad film, and not just Dragonball fans are saying it. Critics in general hate the film, only a handful like it, most people who go see it say it was stupid fans and non-fans alike. Sure some people like it, but that's like saying some people liked Batman & Robin for Arnold's riveting performance as Mr. Freeze.

Just read the numbers and you'll see; at Rottentomatoes the Critics percentage is 17%, and even in RT user community it's only got 36%. Those aren't good numbers, and I've seen the film (for free to be honest) and yet I still feel cheated for wasting that much time of my life looking at it, and retaining the horrible memories. Adaption or not, nothing excuses poor acting, poor effects, and poor, disjointed, story structure.

Rotten Tomatoes: Dragonball

I don't care how many critics hate it, I don't care what the Rotten Tomatoes score is, it doesn't change the fact that an opinion is just that: An opinion, and no matter how many rants you and emi types about how much the film "sucks" it doesn't change the fact that this is merely your opinion, and that won't change reality, and the reality is that there will be some people who utterly disagree with absolutely everything that you say, every single time you say something.


And emi, please, enough of the rants about how people's opinions are "loads of crap", it's one thing to state your dislike of a film, but to insult anyone who disagrees with you is a very blatant show of insecurity. I mean, I've disliked the one Uwe Boll film I've had the misfortune of wasting my time on, but if there's someone out there who genuinely enjoyed one of his films, then I have absolutely no problem with that; more power too them.


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And emi, please, enough of the rants about how people's opinions are "loads of crap", it's one thing to state your dislike of a film, but to insult anyone who disagrees with you is a very blatant show of insecurity. I mean, I've disliked the one Uwe Boll film I've had the misfortune of wasting my time on, but if there's someone out there who genuinely enjoyed one of his films, then I have absolutely no problem with that; more power too them.


What the hell are you talking about?? What "rants" have you read that I keep saying people's opinions are crap?? Seriously, I want examples because all I've done is point out legitimate reasons of how bad the film is and given comparisons so people understand better.


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drwcomics said:

Maverick Hunter said:

But she is correct, it is a bad film, and not just Dragonball fans are saying it. Critics in general hate the film, only a handful like it, most people who go see it say it was stupid fans and non-fans alike. Sure some people like it, but that's like saying some people liked Batman & Robin for Arnold's riveting performance as Mr. Freeze.

Just read the numbers and you'll see; at Rottentomatoes the Critics percentage is 17%, and even in RT user community it's only got 36%. Those aren't good numbers, and I've seen the film (for free to be honest) and yet I still feel cheated for wasting that much time of my life looking at it, and retaining the horrible memories. Adaption or not, nothing excuses poor acting, poor effects, and poor, disjointed, story structure.

Rotten Tomatoes: Dragonball

I don't care how many critics hate it, I don't care what the Rotten Tomatoes score is, it doesn't change the fact that an opinion is just that: An opinion, and no matter how many rants you and emi types about how much the film "sucks" it doesn't change the fact that this is merely your opinion, and that won't change reality, and the reality is that there will be some people who utterly disagree with absolutely everything that you say, every single time you say something.


I was merely pointing out that the claims that most reviews were positive for this film are false, when most people critics and community alike hate the film. Whether you like it or not is your opinion and I never said anything bad about anyone who does. In fact as I stated some people will like this film, but it will be the minority much like Batman & Robin the fourth film in the Batman series.

Some people like that film as well, but the majority of people dislike the film. Besides, I thought that was the point of these forums? If I'm upset about a company, in my OPINION, destroying a franchise I hold much love for it is my right to state the very reasons I dislike it. I merely point out that the numbers are supporting my claim that the majority dislike it, which is what I said all along, in and out of Rotten Tomatoes.


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I'm not speaking about you really, you can voice your opinion, that IS the entire point of these forums, but some of the people who post on these forums seemed to forgotten that, as they're attacking anyone who has a different opinion than them, and I can't STAND that, if someone wants to be enthusiastic about a movie, then how is that wrong? Are some people really THAT insecure about their own opinion that they have to bash anyone else who feels differntly? Seriously, I can't stand some of the people on here who go around calling other people's opinions a "load of crap", it's ridiculous, and what makes it worse, is it's grown adults doing this.


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