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Watchmen is arguably the greatest graphic novel ever written. It is also arguably one of the hardest to translate into reality. Yet it's been done and done very well I might add.

Personally, I think it could have been split up like Lord of the Rings was and made even better but I am completely satisfied with what Snyder has given us. It is probably the closest adaptation of a comic to date over the likes of Sin City and 300. Filled with amazing visuals, very few low points, in depth story telling, and great acting, this has a chance at becoming one of my top 3 favorite films of all time.

My question.....

Why can't they get Superman right?? Seriously. Watchmen is 1000's of times harder to translate to film yet on the first try it is near perfect. What the hell is so hard about making a great Superman film?? I don't mean to start a Superman discussion in a Watchmen thread. It's just that as I walked out of the theater, I couldn't help but ask myself how WB could get this so right, but Superman so damn wrong.

Any thoughts??

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I thought the acting was great all around except for Malin Akerman. I wouldn't say her acting was particularly terrible; however I felt that she was needy as opposed to the strong, independent, and vocal character depicted in the novel.

I also felt that a lot of the dialogue that was dropped was very important to the movie's plot, themes, messages, and character development. Nevertheless, the movie was extremely long as is and couldn't afford to put stuff in.

The only real missed chance I saw was the Dr. Manhattan's story on Mars. They should have followed the comic more closely especially with the photograph dropping at the same time as all the events in the past/future. It really helps the reader to get a better understanding of his different perception of time.

Also, my fears were confirmed about the character of Ozymandias. He should have been depicted as less of a villain. They built him up to be one and I felt that this was a disservice to the character/story.


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BIGBoy4Shizzle said:

Also, my fears were confirmed about the character of Ozymandias. He should have been depicted as less of a villain. They built him up to be one and I felt that this was a disservice to the character/story.


Not sure I agree with you on that one dude.

How exactly did you feel he was portrayed as too villainous?

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infamous_emijayne said:

Watchmen is arguably the greatest graphic novel ever written. It is also arguably one of the hardest to translate into reality. Yet it's been done and done very well I might add.

Personally, I think it could have been split up like Lord of the Rings was and made even better but I am completely satisfied with what Snyder has given us. It is probably the closest adaptation of a comic to date over the likes of Sin City and 300. Filled with amazing visuals, very few low points, in depth story telling, and great acting, this has a chance at becoming one of my top 3 favorite films of all time.

My question.....

Why can't they get Superman right?? Seriously. Watchmen is 1000's of times harder to translate to film yet on the first try it is near perfect. What the hell is so hard about making a great Superman film?? I don't mean to start a Superman discussion in a Watchmen thread. It's just that as I walked out of the theater, I couldn't help but ask myself how WB could get this so right, but Superman so damn wrong.

Any thoughts??



agreed emi, i loved this movie also, but said thing was, out of the 12 of us that went, i was the only one that loved it.. oh well, itwas a pretty sick movie, i'd definately watch it again

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I haven't seen it yet. I want to see it tonight but there is no showing after 9pm in my local theater. The latest one is at 8:45pm. I work from 5 to 9 tonight which sucks. So I have to watch it tomorrow.

I'm thinking of getting the graphic novel and read it. I think they have the novel as a motion comic on DVD or Blu-ray Disc. I saw it at Wal-Mart.



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infamous_emijayne said:

Watchmen is arguably the greatest graphic novel ever written. It is also arguably one of the hardest to translate into reality. Yet it's been done and done very well I might add.

Personally, I think it could have been split up like Lord of the Rings was and made even better but I am completely satisfied with what Snyder has given us. It is probably the closest adaptation of a comic to date over the likes of Sin City and 300. Filled with amazing visuals, very few low points, in depth story telling, and great acting, this has a chance at becoming one of my top 3 favorite films of all time.

My question.....

Why can't they get Superman right?? Seriously. Watchmen is 1000's of times harder to translate to film yet on the first try it is near perfect. What the hell is so hard about making a great Superman film?? I don't mean to start a Superman discussion in a Watchmen thread. It's just that as I walked out of the theater, I couldn't help but ask myself how WB could get this so right, but Superman so damn wrong.

Any thoughts??


One reason, Superman has far fewer character flaws to make the person distinct/interesting. I'm speaking from a movie standpoint only, as the cmoics haveexplored Superman far more thoroughly than any of the films can. Without being able to have all that knowledge in your head as you watch a Superman film, it's just kinda...underwhelming.

The characters in Watchmen -- by contract -- aren't terribly super, and even Dr. M struggles with his own identity a lot.

And then, there's the way the actors are DIRECTED in a Superman film. Somebody's vision always gets layered onto Superman.

Incomplete, but that's my blink test on this.

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Wally West said:

BIGBoy4Shizzle said:

Also, my fears were confirmed about the character of Ozymandias. He should have been depicted as less of a villain. They built him up to be one and I felt that this was a disservice to the character/story.


Not sure I agree with you on that one dude.

How exactly did you feel he was portrayed as too villainous?


Well, there was just something dark and looming to his character. He only had two (I think?) scenes before the big reveal in the end. The first was with the people from the companies and he was just a douche and spoke very dark and condescendingly. The second was when he replaced Captain Metropolis as the person who was starting the Watchmen and he seemed to be offended by the Comedian. You could tell he was scheming something.

I was the only one of my friends who had read the graphic novel beforehand and I asked them if they knew who the villain was before the end, and they all knew it was Ozy. Ozy isn't even a villain in my opinion, and to portray him as one is wrong.


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Emi, my guess is that with Watchmen, the director already gave a 12-issue storyboard to work from. With Superman, they have 75+ years of lore to sift through. Unfortunatley, Warner Brothers always misses the key rule in life. The Rule of Kiss. Keep It Simple, Stupid. Instead, they try to tell some inspirational story that is partly a Massiah Story and humanities need to believe in some great savior. It's partly a story of a god who walks among men, always in awe of their simple humanity. It's partly a story of how we all live duel lives as the person we are and the person we want the world to see us as.
What tends to get missed is that in essense, Superman is none of that crap. At its core, Superman is the story of a man with super human ability who kicks the crap out of evil. And untill WB recognizes that key component and decides to allow Superman to be SUPER, they will continue to play second fiddle to Marvel at the box office.

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Longshot said:

Emi, my guess is that with Watchmen, the director already gave a 12-issue storyboard to work from. With Superman, they have 75+ years of lore to sift through. Unfortunatley, Warner Brothers always misses the key rule in life. The Rule of Kiss. Keep It Simple, Stupid. Instead, they try to tell some inspirational story that is partly a Massiah Story and humanities need to believe in some great savior. It's partly a story of a god who walks among men, always in awe of their simple humanity. It's partly a story of how we all live duel lives as the person we are and the person we want the world to see us as.
What tends to get missed is that in essense, Superman is none of that crap. At its core, Superman is the story of a man with super human ability who kicks the crap out of evil. And untill WB recognizes that key component and decides to allow Superman to be SUPER, they will continue to play second fiddle to Marvel at the box office.


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BIGBoy4Shizzle said:

Wally West said:

BIGBoy4Shizzle said:

Also, my fears were confirmed about the character of Ozymandias. He should have been depicted as less of a villain. They built him up to be one and I felt that this was a disservice to the character/story.


Not sure I agree with you on that one dude.

How exactly did you feel he was portrayed as too villainous?


Well, there was just something dark and looming to his character. He only had two (I think?) scenes before the big reveal in the end. The first was with the people from the companies and he was just a douche and spoke very dark and condescendingly. The second was when he replaced Captain Metropolis as the person who was starting the Watchmen and he seemed to be offended by the Comedian. You could tell he was scheming something.

I was the only one of my friends who had read the graphic novel beforehand and I asked them if they knew who the villain was before the end, and they all knew it was Ozy. Ozy isn't even a villain in my opinion, and to portray him as one is wrong.


I hated the actor who play Ozy.. All wrong in my opinion.

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BIGBoy4Shizzle said:

[Ozy isn't even a villain in my opinion, and to portray him as one is wrong.


He was definately a villain along the same lines as Magneto or Hitler. He thinks only he is able to decide who lives and who dies in the hope of making a utopia. I think they played him very well in the movie.

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