JHBLADER05 said:

With the rights being sold does that mean Christian Bale would no longer have to play John Connor or is he still under contract? Just curious.

solidsnakeyo said:

oh man i hope they keep mc gee and Christian Bale.
W/o a doubt Mc gee saved the franchise from the crap shoot Jonathan Mostow made. i cant wait to get the Director's cut of Terminator: Salvation on Blu-Ray ;D
we all know its going to come out and kick ass

WarriorWolf88 said:

Some may say let the franchise die but I would like to see how it ends The story has a lot of potential.

psycho1 said:

I think they should make the last 2 movies and thats it. No more. I wanna see more night fights like the first three movies showed. Didnt like the day fights in the 4th. Looks better when theres the lazer fighting at night.

jcfan54 said:

psycho1 said:

I think they should make the last 2 movies and thats it. No more. I wanna see more night fights like the first three movies showed. Didnt like the day fights in the 4th. Looks better when theres the lazer fighting at night.

agree. the fifth one should have the invention of the lazer guns like in the middle or the end of the film. that would be cool

KJB said:

The franchise ended at T2...ever wonder why Cameron NEVER pursued T3& T4? If you look closely at T2...the concept of free will and hope were logically explained in that movie...I NEVER have watched T3& T4 based on that. I also find it ironic that no one complained about Bale's personality UNTIL T4...ever wonder why? Bale signed a contract to a bad movie and reacted as such, period. Moon and D9 proved that fresh ideas stemming from sci-fi do exist.

JHBLADER05 said:

KJB said:

The franchise ended at T2...ever wonder why Cameron NEVER pursued T3& T4? If you look closely at T2...the concept of free will and hope were logically explained in that movie...I NEVER have watched T3& T4 based on that. I also find it ironic that no one complained about Bale's personality UNTIL T4...ever wonder why? Bale signed a contract to a bad movie and reacted as such, period. Moon and D9 proved that fresh ideas stemming from sci-fi do exist.

Cameron DID plan Terminator 3, but with all the studio BS going on he gave up and sold the rights.

T2, while a GREAT movie, f-ed up the entire Terminator saga and forced T3, T4, and so forth because if Kyle doesnt go back in time then there will never be a John Connor. Judgment Day MUST happen, and you dont need to see T3 to know that. It's a loop.

KJB said:

JHBLADER05 said:

KJB said:

The franchise ended at T2...ever wonder why Cameron NEVER pursued T3& T4? If you look closely at T2...the concept of free will and hope were logically explained in that movie...I NEVER have watched T3& T4 based on that. I also find it ironic that no one complained about Bale's personality UNTIL T4...ever wonder why? Bale signed a contract to a bad movie and reacted as such, period. Moon and D9 proved that fresh ideas stemming from sci-fi do exist.

Cameron DID plan Terminator 3, but with all the studio BS going on he gave up and sold the rights.

T2, while a GREAT movie, f-ed up the entire Terminator saga and forced T3, T4, and so forth because if Kyle doesnt go back in time then there will never be a John Connor. Judgment Day MUST happen, and you dont need to see T3 to know that. It's a loop.

I do not see how T2 messed up the franchise, because in the first one, Kyle himself said "the future is not set" I interpret it the same way...the future is NOT concrete...tomorrow is promised to no one...the future is "a possibility" meaning that if current events hold at the present, a possible future willl occur. T2 upheld the concept of a "possible" future...To put it simply...If John's role in Judgement Day was CERTAIN...why was there a need to send two terminators to kill him? It's an impossible paradox...Given what you said that Cameron tried to make a T3, apparently even he didn't see that fatal flaw. What made T2 brilliant was Arnold's sacrifice. His sacrifice should have prevented the war...further sequels made made that sacrifice meaningless, therefore making the concept of free will meaningless.

JHBLADER05 said:

KJB said:

JHBLADER05 said:

KJB said:

The franchise ended at T2...ever wonder why Cameron NEVER pursued T3& T4? If you look closely at T2...the concept of free will and hope were logically explained in that movie...I NEVER have watched T3& T4 based on that. I also find it ironic that no one complained about Bale's personality UNTIL T4...ever wonder why? Bale signed a contract to a bad movie and reacted as such, period. Moon and D9 proved that fresh ideas stemming from sci-fi do exist.

Cameron DID plan Terminator 3, but with all the studio BS going on he gave up and sold the rights.

T2, while a GREAT movie, f-ed up the entire Terminator saga and forced T3, T4, and so forth because if Kyle doesnt go back in time then there will never be a John Connor. Judgment Day MUST happen, and you dont need to see T3 to know that. It's a loop.

I do not see how T2 messed up the franchise, because in the first one, Kyle himself said "the future is not set" I interpret it the same way...the future is NOT concrete...tomorrow is promised to no one...the future is "a possibility" meaning that if current events hold at the present, a possible future willl occur. T2 upheld the concept of a "possible" future...To put it simply...If John's role in Judgement Day was CERTAIN...why was there a need to send two terminators to kill him? It's an impossible paradox...Given what you said that Cameron tried to make a T3, apparently even he didn't see that fatal flaw. What made T2 brilliant was Arnold's sacrifice. His sacrifice should have prevented the war...further sequels made made that sacrifice meaningless, therefore making the concept of free will meaningless.

It is a time loop and predestination paradox because John can ONLY exist when Kyle goes back in time. There never was another father other than Kyle Reese. Sarah even acknowledged that fact at the end of the first film saying "If Kyle doesnt come back you could never be born."

KJB said:

JHBLADER05 said:

KJB said:

JHBLADER05 said:

KJB said:

The franchise ended at T2...ever wonder why Cameron NEVER pursued T3& T4? If you look closely at T2...the concept of free will and hope were logically explained in that movie...I NEVER have watched T3& T4 based on that. I also find it ironic that no one complained about Bale's personality UNTIL T4...ever wonder why? Bale signed a contract to a bad movie and reacted as such, period. Moon and D9 proved that fresh ideas stemming from sci-fi do exist.

Cameron DID plan Terminator 3, but with all the studio BS going on he gave up and sold the rights.

T2, while a GREAT movie, f-ed up the entire Terminator saga and forced T3, T4, and so forth because if Kyle doesnt go back in time then there will never be a John Connor. Judgment Day MUST happen, and you dont need to see T3 to know that. It's a loop.

I do not see how T2 messed up the franchise, because in the first one, Kyle himself said "the future is not set" I interpret it the same way...the future is NOT concrete...tomorrow is promised to no one...the future is "a possibility" meaning that if current events hold at the present, a possible future willl occur. T2 upheld the concept of a "possible" future...To put it simply...If John's role in Judgement Day was CERTAIN...why was there a need to send two terminators to kill him? It's an impossible paradox...Given what you said that Cameron tried to make a T3, apparently even he didn't see that fatal flaw. What made T2 brilliant was Arnold's sacrifice. His sacrifice should have prevented the war...further sequels made made that sacrifice meaningless, therefore making the concept of free will meaningless.

It is a time loop and predestination paradox because John can ONLY exist when Kyle goes back in time. There never was another father other than Kyle Reese. Sarah even acknowledged that fact at the end of the first film saying "If Kyle doesnt come back you could never be born."

The existence of Kyle DOES NOT contradict what I said...Kyle is John's FATHER...therefore John's existence is entirely dependent on Kyle...Kyle exists without John...When Kyle was sent back, he was sent back on a timeline at the present that led to the war. The original Terminator was sent back to kill Sarah, hoping to change the POSSIBLE future of John's existence. Skynet practiced free will.

JHBLADER05 said:

KJB said:

JHBLADER05 said:

KJB said:

JHBLADER05 said:

KJB said:

The franchise ended at T2...ever wonder why Cameron NEVER pursued T3& T4? If you look closely at T2...the concept of free will and hope were logically explained in that movie...I NEVER have watched T3& T4 based on that. I also find it ironic that no one complained about Bale's personality UNTIL T4...ever wonder why? Bale signed a contract to a bad movie and reacted as such, period. Moon and D9 proved that fresh ideas stemming from sci-fi do exist.

Cameron DID plan Terminator 3, but with all the studio BS going on he gave up and sold the rights.

T2, while a GREAT movie, f-ed up the entire Terminator saga and forced T3, T4, and so forth because if Kyle doesnt go back in time then there will never be a John Connor. Judgment Day MUST happen, and you dont need to see T3 to know that. It's a loop.

I do not see how T2 messed up the franchise, because in the first one, Kyle himself said "the future is not set" I interpret it the same way...the future is NOT concrete...tomorrow is promised to no one...the future is "a possibility" meaning that if current events hold at the present, a possible future willl occur. T2 upheld the concept of a "possible" future...To put it simply...If John's role in Judgement Day was CERTAIN...why was there a need to send two terminators to kill him? It's an impossible paradox...Given what you said that Cameron tried to make a T3, apparently even he didn't see that fatal flaw. What made T2 brilliant was Arnold's sacrifice. His sacrifice should have prevented the war...further sequels made made that sacrifice meaningless, therefore making the concept of free will meaningless.

It is a time loop and predestination paradox because John can ONLY exist when Kyle goes back in time. There never was another father other than Kyle Reese. Sarah even acknowledged that fact at the end of the first film saying "If Kyle doesnt come back you could never be born."

The existence of Kyle DOES NOT contradict what I said...Kyle is John's FATHER...therefore John's existence is entirely dependent on Kyle...Kyle exists without John...When Kyle was sent back, he was sent back on a timeline at the present that led to the war. The original Terminator was sent back to kill Sarah, hoping to change the POSSIBLE future of John's existence. Skynet practiced free will.

SkyNet was created due to the events of sending the Terminator back to 1984. Without that event then there would be no SkyNet, no Judgment Day, no time travel and no Kyle Reese to father John Connor. It's an endless loop.

KJB said:

JHBLADER05 said:

KJB said:

JHBLADER05 said:

KJB said:

JHBLADER05 said:

KJB said:

The franchise ended at T2...ever wonder why Cameron NEVER pursued T3& T4? If you look closely at T2...the concept of free will and hope were logically explained in that movie...I NEVER have watched T3& T4 based on that. I also find it ironic that no one complained about Bale's personality UNTIL T4...ever wonder why? Bale signed a contract to a bad movie and reacted as such, period. Moon and D9 proved that fresh ideas stemming from sci-fi do exist.

Cameron DID plan Terminator 3, but with all the studio BS going on he gave up and sold the rights.

T2, while a GREAT movie, f-ed up the entire Terminator saga and forced T3, T4, and so forth because if Kyle doesnt go back in time then there will never be a John Connor. Judgment Day MUST happen, and you dont need to see T3 to know that. It's a loop.

I do not see how T2 messed up the franchise, because in the first one, Kyle himself said "the future is not set" I interpret it the same way...the future is NOT concrete...tomorrow is promised to no one...the future is "a possibility" meaning that if current events hold at the present, a possible future willl occur. T2 upheld the concept of a "possible" future...To put it simply...If John's role in Judgement Day was CERTAIN...why was there a need to send two terminators to kill him? It's an impossible paradox...Given what you said that Cameron tried to make a T3, apparently even he didn't see that fatal flaw. What made T2 brilliant was Arnold's sacrifice. His sacrifice should have prevented the war...further sequels made made that sacrifice meaningless, therefore making the concept of free will meaningless.

It is a time loop and predestination paradox because John can ONLY exist when Kyle goes back in time. There never was another father other than Kyle Reese. Sarah even acknowledged that fact at the end of the first film saying "If Kyle doesnt come back you could never be born."

The existence of Kyle DOES NOT contradict what I said...Kyle is John's FATHER...therefore John's existence is entirely dependent on Kyle...Kyle exists without John...When Kyle was sent back, he was sent back on a timeline at the present that led to the war. The original Terminator was sent back to kill Sarah, hoping to change the POSSIBLE future of John's existence. Skynet practiced free will.

SkyNet was created due to the events of sending the Terminator back to 1984. Without that event then there would be no SkyNet, no Judgment Day, no time travel and no Kyle Reese to father John Connor. It's an endless loop.

Again...that's what I said...Skynet was created BECAUSE of the PRESENT TIMELINE...Free will is employed in hopes TO CHANGE the present timeline.