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| The Official "Terminator Salvation" Review Thread!
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| POSTED Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:53:27 AM |
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Just got back from the midnight show and I must say Terminator Salvation is definitely a step in the right direction the franchise needed to bring back some credibility after the less than stellar Terminator 3.
McG delivered a decent enough film to help show the beginning of John Connor as leader of the resistance. I compare it to the first X-Men film. The purpose of both films is to simply establish the characters, and then flesh them out in the sequels.
Sam Worthington was a badass in this film and deserves alot of credit. I dont want to say he'll be a major Hollywood player yet (I'm reserving that judgment for when I see Avatar) but he does have talent. His acceptance that he is a machine feels forced, but that's not his fault.
Bale gave a decent performance as John Connor. He knows his destiny, but at the same time feels as if he isnt meeting the expectations as the "prophesied leader of the resistance." I just wish they had indeed fleshed out Connor more, showing the stress and pressure to finally becoming what he is supposed to be.
Anton Yelchin's Kyle Reese is more of a bit player. But as the series progresses we will definitely see the character becoming the intense badass we all know from Michael Bien's performance.
Like I said above, this film is strictly just to introduce who the characters are, and how they start to come together so dont expect deep character moments.
The visuals though are amazing! McG can definitely deliver a summer action blockbuster. You can see his passion for the first two films, and he truly does love Terminator.
But are there problems? Definitely! You can see the studio interference editing the film to PG-13. There is violence, but when people die it's either off screen or they just fall down.
The film feels rushed at times and seems to cut from one scene to the next without much transition. The acting is weak on the parts of the minor characters.
McG, while obviously a lover of the series, simply does not have the talent to draw out the characters. I know I've mentioned that they're just introducing the players and will probably flesh them out for the sequels, but the man simply cant get his actors to deliver lines in a serious tone. There are alot of moments where the corny dialogue distracts you from the film. I dont think he truly understands the characters, even if he loves them. I would prefer they get a more established, and credible director for the series.
All in all it's a credible summer blockbuster. If you go into the theatre expecting James Cameron's Terminator you'll only leave angry. Cameron told his story and abandoned Terminator so you need to realize that right now. This is a new beginning for the Terminator franchise, and I cant wait for parts five and six.
3 1/2 out of 5 stars.
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| REPLIED Thursday, May 21, 2009 02:24:16 AM |
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I also just got back from a midnight showing. I'm going to edit/update this post later with an actual review and opinion, but for now I'm just gonna give a first impression review because it's late...
Terminator Salvation: 6/10.
Good Action Movie...and not much else.
**UPDATE**
Okay, I'll use spoiler tags where I think they're needed. It's been a week since I've seen this movie and my 6/10 score still holds up. I liked the movie. I did. It kept me entertained throughout. However, I was never emotionally involved in this movie. Sure the actors did fine with their roles, but none of them were developed in a meaningful way that would have you rooting for them to win. They came across very flat. Even Christian Bale as John Connor. This whole movie came across as an extended "future war" scene from one of the other three movies: Action-filled, likeable, and forgettable. For a movie being part of a franchise about John Connor being the savior of humanity, it didn't focus on Connor as much as I think it needed too.
I guess for me what it boils down to is failed expectations. The trailers for this movie were so well done it had me thinking this movie could reach "The Dark Knight" as far as story, action, characters, etc. But I found myself feeling deceived thinking that the trailers showed a much more epic conflict than what the final movie was...
One of the best things I liked about Terminator Salvation was the little nods to the franchise and previous films.
What I liked:
[SPOILER] 1. Honestly, I thought one of the coolest easter eggs was showing how John Connor got the scars on his face. As soon as I saw that scene it brought back the image from T2(?). Cool little nod. [/SPOILER]
[SPOILER] 2. Arnolds cameo was awesome. The effects were really awesome. It didn't look too digital at all and had me wondering how they pulled it off so well. [/SPOILER]
[SPOILER] 3. The action was good. From the HK's dueling the A10s, the Harvester & Moto-Terminators attacking Marcus & Reese, and John's battle with the T-800, it was all done really well. [/SPOILER]
What I didn't like:
[SPOILER] 1. Marcus Wrights characters. Sure it was a little interesting- him being part human part robot, but it was predictable how they set it up. Everyone knew from the trailers who he was so it was just a boring waiting game for the film to reveal it. [/SPOILER]
[SPOILER] 2. The story could have really set up that the T-800 is the end-all be-all doomsday machine(hinted at in the trailers) but the story treats it was a moderate threat, and places it on the back burner, instead focusing on the Switch-off Signal, Marcus, etc. [/SPOILER]
[SPOILER] 3. Predictability. Whether it was finding out Marcus was a Terminator, that Reese would be captured, that he'd get rescued, and that Marcus would give Connor his heart, nothing had me on the edge of my seat wondering what was going to happen next. I knew that as ridiculous as it sounded that John Connor could just walk into Skynet that he'd be alright. I know it was all part of Skynets plan but it was totally unbelieveable. [/SPOILER]
So in review, Terminator Salvation is a good action flick with great set pieces, explosions, chases but severely lacks in it's story telling and character development. I'm still glad I saw this movie because it is definitely worth seeing, just tone down your expectations a bit. After all following The Terminator which was a breakout Sci-Fi masterpiece & Terminator 2 which many believe to be the best action movie of all time, it's unreasonable to expect this movie to be the best of them all. |
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Well, on my part, as the movie was unfolding in front of my eyes i thought: holy crap! this might actually be doing the Terminator series justice.
Then, i got home, and played back the movie in my head and started to notice little things that seemed trivial at first. The more i think about it, the more things i find wrong with this movie...
Though in a sense, i agree with the poster who mentioned that this could act as a stand alone movie, i cant stop thinking to myself: why should this be a stand alone movie? who the heck out there doesnt know about The Terminator series?
The CGI in most parts was awesome, and i loved the fact that we finally got to see what has been hinted in all movies: the war.
I dont really like the remix of the old song. Terminator needs its original theme, and that's that. This would be like Stars Wars changing it's theme. Boo.
Something i don't get either, is the difference between the war we were hinted at( mostly humans living like vermin, in underground tunnels, scavenging for food, coming out at night only, limited resources, etc) and what was showed. I know some of you guys will explain that by the " this is not the future my mother told me about"(by the way, where was that quote in-film?), but i think it's just an easy way out of using what was previously established.
Another thing that annoyed me, is how The Terminators( T-800 and T-600 in this movie) just seem to get faster and more agile every movie since T2.
Like, i used to love the way they moved around,bulky, blocky, towering over someone, just being this huge, strong, freaky robotic menace.
Now they run around, jump around like crazy, duck like ninjas, whats next, T-800's doing somersaults and splits? Its a minor deal, but still irritates me a bit. Just because the CGI technology is better now, doesn't mean Terminators should get a movement upgrade IMO.
Some parts did indeed feel rushed. Connection between scenes was almost non existent at some points, i feel like this movie was shot around 2:45 mins, and then cut down that whatever the running time actually was( a bit under 2 hours i believe) which kinda sucks for continuity's sake.
All in all, as a stand alone, a good movie definitely worth seeing. For the die-hard Terminator fan, your expectations might not be met.Still worth seeing on the big screen though. Not "the" summer blockbuster.
Non-Fan wise: 7.5/10
Fan wise: 6.5/10
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JHBLADER05 said: Just got back from the midnight show and I must say Terminator Salvation is definitely a step in the right direction the franchise needed to bring back some credibility after the less than stellar Terminator 3.
McG delivered a decent enough film to help show the beginning of John Connor as leader of the resistance. I compare it to the first X-Men film. The purpose of both films is to simply establish the characters, and then flesh them out in the sequels.
Sam Worthington was a badass in this film and deserves alot of credit. I dont want to say he'll be a major Hollywood player yet (I'm reserving that judgment for when I see Avatar) but he does have talent. His acceptance that he is a machine feels forced, but that's not his fault.
Bale gave a decent performance as John Connor. He knows his destiny, but at the same time feels as if he isnt meeting the expectations as the "prophesied leader of the resistance." I just wish they had indeed fleshed out Connor more, showing the stress and pressure to finally becoming what he is supposed to be.
Anton Yelchin's Kyle Reese is more of a bit player. But as the series progresses we will definitely see the character becoming the intense badass we all know from Michael Bien's performance.
Like I said above, this film is strictly just to introduce who the characters are, and how they start to come together so dont expect deep character moments.
The visuals though are amazing! McG can definitely deliver a summer action blockbuster. You can see his passion for the first two films, and he truly does love Terminator.
But are there problems? Definitely! You can see the studio interference editing the film to PG-13. There is violence, but when people die it's either off screen or they just fall down.
The film feels rushed at times and seems to cut from one scene to the next without much transition. The acting is weak on the parts of the minor characters.
McG, while obviously a lover of the series, simply does not have the talent to draw out the characters. I know I've mentioned that they're just introducing the players and will probably flesh them out for the sequels, but the man simply cant get his actors to deliver lines in a serious tone. There are alot of moments where the corny dialogue distracts you from the film. I dont think he truly understands the characters, even if he loves them. I would prefer they get a more established, and credible director for the series.
All in all it's a credible summer blockbuster. If you go into the theatre expecting James Cameron's Terminator you'll only leave angry. Cameron told his story and abandoned Terminator so you need to realize that right now. This is a new beginning for the Terminator franchise, and I cant wait for parts five and six.
3 1/2 out of 5 stars.
There are so many negatives here, it sounds like a 1 out of 5 stars. I've been here since 2000 and have undergone six-seven personas, but I am still me...Tiffany, I love you. |
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Darksilver84 said:
I dont really like the remix of the old song. Terminator needs its original theme, and that's that. This would be like Stars Wars changing it's theme. Boo.
Another thing that annoyed me, is how The Terminators( T-800 and T-600 in this movie) just seem to get faster and more agile every movie since T2.
Like, i used to love the way they moved around,bulky, blocky, towering over someone, just being this huge, strong, freaky robotic menace.
Now they run around, jump around like crazy, duck like ninjas, whats next, T-800's doing somersaults and splits? Its a minor deal, but still irritates me a bit. Just because the CGI technology is better now, doesn't mean Terminators should get a movement upgrade IMO.
First off, yeah I definately was disappointed with the change to the theme. That should not have been touched at all.
As for the movement changes you mentioned... The T-600s were plodding slouches that hardly moved at all and the 1 T-800 that was in the movie was exactly as it was in the first movie. What were you referring to with them becoming more agile? The only agile ones in the movie were the bikes. I find your lack of faith disturbing.
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Sith Hunter said: Darksilver84 said:
I dont really like the remix of the old song. Terminator needs its original theme, and that's that. This would be like Stars Wars changing it's theme. Boo.
Another thing that annoyed me, is how The Terminators( T-800 and T-600 in this movie) just seem to get faster and more agile every movie since T2.
Like, i used to love the way they moved around,bulky, blocky, towering over someone, just being this huge, strong, freaky robotic menace.
Now they run around, jump around like crazy, duck like ninjas, whats next, T-800's doing somersaults and splits? Its a minor deal, but still irritates me a bit. Just because the CGI technology is better now, doesn't mean Terminators should get a movement upgrade IMO.
First off, yeah I definitely was disappointed with the change to the theme. That should not have been touched at all.
As for the movement changes you mentioned... The T-600s were plodding slouches that hardly moved at all and the 1 T-800 that was in the movie was exactly as it was in the first movie. What were you referring to with them becoming more agile? The only agile ones in the movie were the bikes.
Nah, to me the first T-800 in this movie was way more agile that the ones we were used to. I dont know, i think we can blame that on better technology, thus creating more fluid CGI( opposed the T-800 in T1 was stop motion). but still, i felt it jumped around with was too much ease. Even if you compared it to the war scenes in T2, T-800 seemed way less agile and blocky than the T4 counterpart... but maybe its just me.. |
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TheRiddlerKid said: Can anyone say Card board acting?
It's a shame really. Ever Since Terminator 2, we judge any future Terminator film on the basis of how much better or worse it was to Terminator 2. Same goes for Star Trek with the Wrath of Kahn and most likely with The batman franchise.
Good to hear its a stand alone film.
Which is stupid because Begins was better than Dark Knight. Ledger saved that film. Bale was stale and looked bored. And considering he used the word "trapped" when asked about a third, it seems he truly isn't that interested in it which is how his acting came across to me in TDK.
In TS, he overplayed the role in some spots but you could see he was into the role. He wasn't just going through the motions.
BTW...
Enjoyed it more than Star Trek. Granted, I loved seeing ST on IMAX, but TS overall held my attention more and I left more satisfied. Both are must sees for the summer. Next up...TRANSFORMERS BABY!! A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves." - Edward R. Murrow
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