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Now I saw it and loved it. (10/10 stars) Well I have a few questions about Hero, but even though I did know the plot, I wasen't sure.

So let me see if I got it right.

Nameless is brought to see the king of the Qin palace and he's telling him the story. But the emporerer knows it's a lie and then Nameless tells him the real story. Then in the real story Sky isn't dead, Nameless just used that one move that wounds you, but doesn't kill you. Then in front of the Qin guards he "kills" Snow, but he doesn't he just uses the wounding move on her. Then Moon tries to fight. Then we realize that Sky, Snow, and Nameless are the assassians and that Broken Sword knows not to kill him, cause he knows that even though there will be death, it's for the greater good. Then Snow tells her servant if the assassination works bring a red flag, if not bring a yellow flag. Then when Nameless is talking to the emporerer he says he's from Zhoa (speeling sorry) and that he's here to kill him. Then when he's about to do it, he doesn't cause he listened to Broken Sword. And Broken sword told him that the ideal for a warrior is not to raise your sword, but to go in peace. And that if you train and kill in hatred that there is no sword in your heart, but if you kill for good, you have the sword in your heart. So then Snow is mad at Broken Sword and tells him to raise his sword. He does, but he doesn't want to kill her cause he says the only thing in his heart is her, and she doesn't believe him so insted of blocking her sword and killing her and lets her kill him to show her that he loves her and she's the only thing in his heart. She is depressed and is questioning why he didn't fight. Then she kills herself so she can be together with him in heaven. Then when Moon comes and cries that her master and his former lover is dead. Then when Nameless gets to the wall, the emporerer tells the soldiers to execute him, cause he was gonna kill him and that they need to make an example of him. He doesn't want to kill Nameless, but he knows he must. So they kill him and give him a hero's burial. So then Broken Sword, Snow, and Nameless all die, but Moon and Sky live, and then all the chinease nations unite and everyone becomes peaceful.

Am I right? If I'm wrong please correct me cause I want to understand it fully. The movie was great. It made me feel sad for the lovers and Nameless and the fight scenes and colors dazzeled me.




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The Unknown Jedi said:

Now I saw it and loved it. (10/10 stars) Well I have a few questions about Hero, but even though I did know the plot, I wasen't sure.

So let me see if I got it right.

Nameless is brought to see the king of the Qin palace and he's telling him the story. But the emporerer knows it's a lie and then Nameless tells him the real story. Then in the real story Sky isn't dead, Nameless just used that one move that wounds you, but doesn't kill you. Then in front of the Qin guards he "kills" Snow, but he doesn't he just uses the wounding move on her. Then Moon tries to fight. Then we realize that Sky, Snow, and Nameless are the assassians and that Broken Sword knows not to kill him, cause he knows that even though there will be death, it's for the greater good. Then Snow tells her servant if the assassination works bring a red flag, if not bring a yellow flag. Then when Nameless is talking to the emporerer he says he's from Zhoa (speeling sorry) and that he's here to kill him. Then when he's about to do it, he doesn't cause he listened to Broken Sword. And Broken sword told him that the ideal for a warrior is not to raise your sword, but to go in peace. And that if you train and kill in hatred that there is no sword in your heart, but if you kill for good, you have the sword in your heart. So then Snow is mad at Broken Sword and tells him to raise his sword. He does, but he doesn't want to kill her cause he says the only thing in his heart is her, and she doesn't believe him so insted of blocking her sword and killing her and lets her kill him to show her that he loves her and she's the only thing in his heart. She is depressed and is questioning why he didn't fight. Then she kills herself so she can be together with him in heaven. Then when Moon comes and cries that her master and his former lover is dead. Then when Nameless gets to the wall, the emporerer tells the soldiers to execute him, cause he was gonna kill him and that they need to make an example of him. He doesn't want to kill Nameless, but he knows he must. So they kill him and give him a hero's burial. So then Broken Sword, Snow, and Nameless all die, but Moon and Sky live, and then all the chinease nations unite and everyone becomes peaceful.

Am I right? If I'm wrong please correct me cause I want to understand it fully. The movie was great. It made me feel sad for the lovers and Nameless and the fight scenes and colors dazzeled me.


I didn't read the ENTIRE thing, but I read about halfway through, and you seemed pretty right.




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PyroGurl said:

The Unknown Jedi said:

Now I saw it and loved it. (10/10 stars) Well I have a few questions about Hero, but even though I did know the plot, I wasen't sure.

So let me see if I got it right.

Nameless is brought to see the king of the Qin palace and he's telling him the story. But the emporerer knows it's a lie and then Nameless tells him the real story. Then in the real story Sky isn't dead, Nameless just used that one move that wounds you, but doesn't kill you. Then in front of the Qin guards he "kills" Snow, but he doesn't he just uses the wounding move on her. Then Moon tries to fight. Then we realize that Sky, Snow, and Nameless are the assassians and that Broken Sword knows not to kill him, cause he knows that even though there will be death, it's for the greater good. Then Snow tells her servant if the assassination works bring a red flag, if not bring a yellow flag. Then when Nameless is talking to the emporerer he says he's from Zhoa (speeling sorry) and that he's here to kill him. Then when he's about to do it, he doesn't cause he listened to Broken Sword. And Broken sword told him that the ideal for a warrior is not to raise your sword, but to go in peace. And that if you train and kill in hatred that there is no sword in your heart, but if you kill for good, you have the sword in your heart. So then Snow is mad at Broken Sword and tells him to raise his sword. He does, but he doesn't want to kill her cause he says the only thing in his heart is her, and she doesn't believe him so insted of blocking her sword and killing her and lets her kill him to show her that he loves her and she's the only thing in his heart. She is depressed and is questioning why he didn't fight. Then she kills herself so she can be together with him in heaven. Then when Moon comes and cries that her master and his former lover is dead. Then when Nameless gets to the wall, the emporerer tells the soldiers to execute him, cause he was gonna kill him and that they need to make an example of him. He doesn't want to kill Nameless, but he knows he must. So they kill him and give him a hero's burial. So then Broken Sword, Snow, and Nameless all die, but Moon and Sky live, and then all the chinease nations unite and everyone becomes peaceful.

Am I right? If I'm wrong please correct me cause I want to understand it fully. The movie was great. It made me feel sad for the lovers and Nameless and the fight scenes and colors dazzeled me.


I didn't read the ENTIRE thing, but I read about halfway through, and you seemed pretty right.


I'm glad I'm right cause it as an awesome movie.

ps: Is there any other movies like this that will be released in the US?




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well thats what i think

thinking back on it..the whole point of it was useless

all of this..just to kill a king..and then nameless spears his life and ends up dying himself


weird


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Cosmo_Kramer said:

well thats what i think

thinking back on it..the whole point of it was useless

all of this..just to kill a king..and then nameless spears his life and ends up dying himself


weird


Well I loved it, it has twists, and wa a awesome movie.




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I just watched it today and I loved it. I wanted to touch on some of the things you wrote:

"Then Snow tells her servant if the assassination works bring a red flag, if not bring a yellow flag."

Red if the asassination is successful, yellow if it was not.

"Then when he's (Nameless) about to do it (kill the King of Qin), he doesn't cause he listened to Broken Sword. And Broken sword told him that the ideal for a warrior is not to raise your sword, but to go in peace. And that if you train and kill in hatred that there is no sword in your heart, but if you kill for good, you have the sword in your heart.

The reason that Nameless did not kill the King of Qin is for the future unity of China, or Broken Sword's two words, "Our Land". What Broken Sword taught Nameless is that even though it's the Warring States period right now, all of the pain and death is only happening in the short run. In the long run, after all of the fighting between the states is done, they will be united and there will be peace for everybody. (The personal pains of individuals like Nameless and Snow should be sacrifices for the greater cause.)

A big thing that the audience has to understand is the (brief) history of the Warring States in China and how the Qin Dynasty was the first Chinese dynasty. The Qin Dynasty was brutal and harsh and only lasted for a short time period, about 15 years or so. But aside from their strict rule (or even "tyranny"), they still hold credit for uniting China and they uniformed a lot of things, like currency, measurements, and writing (the movie touched upon this when Nameless said there were 19 ways of writing "sword" and the King said how can people understand when there's so many ways and that he'd standardize writing).

Although the Qin did a lot of bad things, like burn books, they still were the ones who united China and sat the foundation for the future rulers. In the long run, there really was peace because after the Qin's 15 years, the next dynasty was the Han Dynasty which lasted about 400 years (with a break in the middle) and was known to be a really peaceful and happy period (flourishing culture, etc).

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The Unknown Jedi said:

Cosmo_Kramer said:

well thats what i think

thinking back on it..the whole point of it was useless

all of this..just to kill a king..and then nameless spears his life and ends up dying himself


weird


Well I loved it, it has twists, and wa a awesome movie.


i was talking to a friend about this film and he said "you own this right?" so i gave it to him last night and told him that its confussing. Especialy because its a japanese edit of the film. But it all comes together at the end


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ps: Is there any other movies like this that will be released in the US? [/quote]

One movie i recomend that i was reminded of when i saw this was Basic. It's already on DVD/VHS.

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ps: Is there any other movies like this that will be released in the US?


One movie i recomend that i was reminded of when i saw this was Basic. It's already on DVD/VHS.[/quote]

i am sick of people saying how they have the dvd already and all this bullshit..it may be true..but we dont care..i got the dvd aswell..but i dont even care


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but he doesn't want to kill her cause he says the only thing in his heart is her


Actually he states that the good of china is in his heart and then snow asks if that is all there is and he says that there is her also.

Then in the real story Sky isn't dead, Nameless just used that one move that wounds you, but doesn't kill you.

On this i think it would be helpful to point out to you what my theory is behind the colors. Each one of the stories of the past has its own color based on the person who's telling it(i.e. nameless's is red, broken sword's is green etc.). Each color represents a perversion of the truth by the teller's emotion. The truth is portrayed in white because white encompasses all colors and so, in symbolism, encompasses all emotions. So anything that happens in white is truth. I have not figured out the emotions that the colors represent, i believe that red could represent hate or bloodlust(an interesting fact is that no blood is shown except in the red, or nameless's, version of the story). I think that black might be desire to keep peace and not kill. This is supported by the fact that in the end, the headdresses of the Qin imperial gaurd change from black to red and back and forth while the Qin warlord is debating in his mind whether or not to kill nameless. When he is finally executed the headdresses are red. I don't have any other theories on what the other colors stand for. I hope this helped.

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but he doesn't want to kill her cause he says the only thing in his heart is her


Actually he states that the good of china is in his heart and then snow asks if that is all there is and he says that there is her also.

Then in the real story Sky isn't dead, Nameless just used that one move that wounds you, but doesn't kill you.

On this i think it would be helpful to point out to you what my theory is behind the colors. Each one of the stories of the past has its own color based on the person who's telling it(i.e. nameless's is red, broken sword's is green etc.). Each color represents a perversion of the truth by the teller's emotion. The truth is portrayed in white because white encompasses all colors and so, in symbolism, encompasses all emotions. So anything that happens in white is truth. I have not figured out the emotions that the colors represent, i believe that red could represent hate or bloodlust(an interesting fact is that no blood is shown except in the red, or nameless's, version of the story). I think that black might be desire to keep peace and not kill. This is supported by the fact that in the end, the headdresses of the Qin imperial gaurd change from black to red and back and forth while the Qin warlord is debating in his mind whether or not to kill nameless. When he is finally executed the headdresses are red. I don't have any other theories on what the other colors stand for. I hope this helped.


yeah..its weird.

i would like to hear a chinese persons verdic


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When this movie appeared in front of the public,it was critized by lots people...Almost all my friends around didn't like it lot...But it really made a big success , the top box office ever in China..

The reason people didn't like it might be the way the director tells this story..Personally I like croatching tiger ,hidden dragon more...

By the way, another similar movie will hit USA around Dec this year...I think it is better than HERO...Anyway,Enjoy it , guys!!

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a link to the new movie...

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a link to the new movie...

check it out

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shawnyang said:

When this movie appeared in front of the public,it was critized by lots people...Almost all my friends around didn't like it lot...But it really made a big success , the top box office ever in China..

The reason people didn't like it might be the way the director tells this story..Personally I like croatching tiger ,hidden dragon more...

By the way, another similar movie will hit USA around Dec this year...I think it is better than HERO...Anyway,Enjoy it , guys!!

A chinese guy from Shanghai China


in america its all about cgi..in china its all about art, colture and story


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Thanks Chinese guy. You are now our official contact over there, lol

I agree with you for liking Crouching tiger more. The story was just so much more captivating. I don't much like framed stories, so the idea of a story about someone telling the story turns me off. And then hero is such a short story that you don't get a lot of time to connect with the characters before they move on to another version of the story. Its still good, but a different form of narration would have been better.

But still, best fight scenes ever!


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