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| POSTED Saturday, July 18, 2009 04:26:57 AM |
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I'm surprised a thread hasn't been created already.
What were your thoughts and feelings around the the movie?
All in all I loved it. I was disappointed by amount that was cut from the book. With have an additional 20 minutes screen time they could easily have introduced Scrimgeour, included Dobby and Kreacher [SPOILER] simply for continuity into the next movie [/SPOILER] and shown at least one of Voldermort's earlier memories, regarding his parents.
I don't think anything that was left out of the movie was essential and damaged the stories progression, however feel they could have strengthened the series through maintaining continuity with characters and giving viewers that had not previously read the books a better understanding of his past.
Having seen it at the Imax cinema, I did get to see the 3D scene's, which were well done and good fun, however only seemed to last for 10 minutes, which was disappointing. The short time in 3D didn't affect the quality of the movie, but another 3D scene towards the end of the movie would have been great.
Over all a solid entry to the series, and quite possibly my favourite of the movies so far, definitely my favourite of the summer.
9/10
My top movies of 2009
1. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
2. Star Trek
3. District 9
4. Curious Case of Benjamin Button
5. Transformers 2
6. Terminator Salvation
7. Watchmen
8. This Is It
9. Inglorious Basterds
10. Bruno
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12. Friday 13th
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I'm not using spoilers in an official review thread. So don't read on if you havn't seen it yet.
I think David Yates has failed miserably with this film. He completely failed to grasp what was important about HBP and decided instead to spend too much time showing us a crappy teen drama movie. It was an improvement over OotP i'll give it that, and there were lots of moments when I genuinely laughed out loud, but when I think about the book I just see how much wasted potential this movie had.
Only two memory scenes was not enough. Those parts of the book have great importance in working out the Horcruxes, and also to add actual depth to Voldemort's character. It was a hugely missed opportunity to show some actual character development for THE main villain of the series, who for the most part so far has been a background character. Why not have the memory of Voldemort asking for a job and actually utilise Ralph Fiennes who plays the character so amazingly? These scenes are some of the best material in the book. Visiting the Gaunts in the forest, Tom using Hepzibah Smith, Merope falling for Riddle Snr. Sadly Yates wanted "action" and not substance. Here we could've had some amazing horror/thriller story points that actually served a purpose, instead we get a made up scene of the Burrow getting destroyed and Harry and Ginny running into a field with Death Eaters that resulted in absolutely no consequence. That scene wasn't needed and it wasn't action. And what's worse is that they then go and remove the action scenes from the attack on Hogwarts. Where's the logic here? And how was the Burrow destroyed in the first place? Where was the magical protection the Order is setting up for Harry's safety? Oh yeah, there isn't any. The Chosen one is allowed to walk around London on his own at night and get hit on by waitresses Again, cutting out material from the book and making up rubbish in their stead. This isn't how one adapts a book for the movies.
Now the Horcruxes, the pivotal piece of information in this film, are also not explained properly. No connection to the Hogwarts Founders, no thought to what the remaining will be. According to Dumbledore they could be any insignificant item. This stuff gets more laughable as it goes on. Well done for digging yourselves into deeper holes for Deathly Hallows.
The ending to this film also failed terribly. The cave scene was great, I thought they did a good job there. But as soon as they get back to Hogwarts it all goes downhill. We lost the urgencey from them appearing back at the school and seeing the Dark Mark, we lose the amazing line when Dumbledore tells Harry he's not afraid because he's with him. And then the events at the top of the tower get extremly let down. Why does Harry suddenly trust Snape? It makes no sense. Dumbledore's death had absolutely no impact on me because these movies havn't given us enough emotional connection to him. And Harry's relationship to Dumbledore has also never been built up properly, so I really didn't feel why he gave two hoots about DD's death himself. And then when Harry's chasing down Snape, we get the line from him calling Snape a coward, but where was the vehement outburst from Snape? And then we get a Darth Vader delivery of 'I am the Half-Blood Prince', which by this time i'm sure most people had completely forgotten about that particular plotline. I'm sure they only kept in any of the Half-Blood Prince plot because that's the title of the film.
This is more of a rant than a review, but considering this was my favourite book in the series, I was incredibly let down with this movie, yet again. I can see why a lot of people do like it. If I had never read the book i'm sure I would've enjoyed it too. I certainly enjoyed it more than OotP. But knowing all the amazing content they left out in favour of such pish they did include, it all turned out to be a waste of a movie and didn't live up to what it could have been.
I will add Daniel Radcliffe has improved his acting somewhat for this film. He did a brilliant job once he'd drank the Felix Felicis, and I felt the scene when he finally convinces Slughorn to give his true memory was the best scene in the film. "Surprised to see your old nemesis, Optimus Primal? I believe we have some catching up to do. A few memory gaps to fill. Let's start with the Beast Wars. They are over. You lost."
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NOTE: FILLED WITH SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!
I am a first time replier so to speak, so I do hope that I do not boar anybody too much. Personally, I have never read any of the Potter books and until the Goblet of Fire; I was not what you would call an avid fan either. Although once I saw Voldamort come back to life at the end of the GOF I was caught hook, line & Sinker! I immediately went out and saw the first three all over again. Then saw the midnight showing for the Order of the Phoenix. I really enjoyed that movie!
So after getting all caught up on the story (while never reading one book, just using movies) love the OOTP, I went in to the Half Blood Prince with some high expectations! Needless to say, I left feeling extremely disappointed with not just the movie I.E. acting or effects, yet the premises of the story itself. I do not know just how much of the book was cut out, or what may have needed more emphasis, or what was added just to help boost up effects and truthfully, I do not really care!
Because, I thought that the story was very dull. I just never found my self at any one time overly intrigued with the movie. At one point I had completely forgotten about the advanced potions book with the property of the Half Blood Prince not until Snape says it to Harry did I even remember. Not to Minchin that the ending scene of Harry chasing after them in the forest was also very boring, it certainly did not hold up to the last two movies climactic battles, that is for sure!
In fact, I do not believe that there was a fight scene out side of the cave with DD using the fire that really came across as well done. Even though I thought, Harry should have used a Potronouce Charm at that point prior to being dragged down. The scene with him chasing after lestrange was pointless! They might as well have just had death eaters fly by and destroy the home while they were in it. At least then, you could have made a scene of them running out of the house necessary.
I do not want to knock the film. I am a very big Potter movie fan. I am still looking forward to how the Deadly Hallows will come out.
I just did not feel that this movie in any way lived up to its predecessors. Again, I left feeling disappointed all around.
What are your thoughts??????
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| REPLIED Sunday , July 19, 2009 02:39:28 PM |
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Chou_Zu said: I'm not using spoilers in an official review thread. So don't read on if you havn't seen it yet.
I think David Yates has failed miserably with this film. He completely failed to grasp what was important about HBP and decided instead to spend too much time showing us a crappy teen drama movie. It was an improvement over OotP i'll give it that, and there were lots of moments when I genuinely laughed out loud, but when I think about the book I just see how much wasted potential this movie had.
Only two memory scenes was not enough. Those parts of the book have great importance in working out the Horcruxes, and also to add actual depth to Voldemort's character. It was a hugely missed opportunity to show some actual character development for THE main villain of the series, who for the most part so far has been a background character. Why not have the memory of Voldemort asking for a job and actually utilise Ralph Fiennes who plays the character so amazingly? These scenes are some of the best material in the book. Visiting the Gaunts in the forest, Tom using Hepzibah Smith, Merope falling for Riddle Snr. Sadly Yates wanted "action" and not substance. Here we could've had some amazing horror/thriller story points that actually served a purpose, instead we get a made up scene of the Burrow getting destroyed and Harry and Ginny running into a field with Death Eaters that resulted in absolutely no consequence. That scene wasn't needed and it wasn't action. And what's worse is that they then go and remove the action scenes from the attack on Hogwarts. Where's the logic here? And how was the Burrow destroyed in the first place? Where was the magical protection the Order is setting up for Harry's safety? Oh yeah, there isn't any. The Chosen one is allowed to walk around London on his own at night and get hit on by waitresses Again, cutting out material from the book and making up rubbish in their stead. This isn't how one adapts a book for the movies.
Now the Horcruxes, the pivotal piece of information in this film, are also not explained properly. No connection to the Hogwarts Founders, no thought to what the remaining will be. According to Dumbledore they could be any insignificant item. This stuff gets more laughable as it goes on. Well done for digging yourselves into deeper holes for Deathly Hallows.
The ending to this film also failed terribly. The cave scene was great, I thought they did a good job there. But as soon as they get back to Hogwarts it all goes downhill. We lost the urgencey from them appearing back at the school and seeing the Dark Mark, we lose the amazing line when Dumbledore tells Harry he's not afraid because he's with him. And then the events at the top of the tower get extremly let down. Why does Harry suddenly trust Snape? It makes no sense. Dumbledore's death had absolutely no impact on me because these movies havn't given us enough emotional connection to him. And Harry's relationship to Dumbledore has also never been built up properly, so I really didn't feel why he gave two hoots about DD's death himself. And then when Harry's chasing down Snape, we get the line from him calling Snape a coward, but where was the vehement outburst from Snape? And then we get a Darth Vader delivery of 'I am the Half-Blood Prince', which by this time i'm sure most people had completely forgotten about that particular plotline. I'm sure they only kept in any of the Half-Blood Prince plot because that's the title of the film.
This is more of a rant than a review, but considering this was my favourite book in the series, I was incredibly let down with this movie, yet again. I can see why a lot of people do like it. If I had never read the book i'm sure I would've enjoyed it too. I certainly enjoyed it more than OotP. But knowing all the amazing content they left out in favour of such pish they did include, it all turned out to be a waste of a movie and didn't live up to what it could have been.
I will add Daniel Radcliffe has improved his acting somewhat for this film. He did a brilliant job once he'd drank the Felix Felicis, and I felt the scene when he finally convinces Slughorn to give his true memory was the best scene in the film.
I'm glad someone has some sense . . .
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| REPLIED Sunday , July 19, 2009 05:43:04 PM |
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Chou_Zu said: I'm not using spoilers in an official review thread. So don't read on if you havn't seen it yet.
I think David Yates has failed miserably with this film. He completely failed to grasp what was important about HBP and decided instead to spend too much time showing us a crappy teen drama movie. It was an improvement over OotP i'll give it that, and there were lots of moments when I genuinely laughed out loud, but when I think about the book I just see how much wasted potential this movie had.
Only two memory scenes was not enough. Those parts of the book have great importance in working out the Horcruxes, and also to add actual depth to Voldemort's character. It was a hugely missed opportunity to show some actual character development for THE main villain of the series, who for the most part so far has been a background character. Why not have the memory of Voldemort asking for a job and actually utilise Ralph Fiennes who plays the character so amazingly? These scenes are some of the best material in the book. Visiting the Gaunts in the forest, Tom using Hepzibah Smith, Merope falling for Riddle Snr. Sadly Yates wanted "action" and not substance. Here we could've had some amazing horror/thriller story points that actually served a purpose, instead we get a made up scene of the Burrow getting destroyed and Harry and Ginny running into a field with Death Eaters that resulted in absolutely no consequence. That scene wasn't needed and it wasn't action. And what's worse is that they then go and remove the action scenes from the attack on Hogwarts. Where's the logic here? And how was the Burrow destroyed in the first place? Where was the magical protection the Order is setting up for Harry's safety? Oh yeah, there isn't any. The Chosen one is allowed to walk around London on his own at night and get hit on by waitresses Again, cutting out material from the book and making up rubbish in their stead. This isn't how one adapts a book for the movies.
Now the Horcruxes, the pivotal piece of information in this film, are also not explained properly. No connection to the Hogwarts Founders, no thought to what the remaining will be. According to Dumbledore they could be any insignificant item. This stuff gets more laughable as it goes on. Well done for digging yourselves into deeper holes for Deathly Hallows.
The ending to this film also failed terribly. The cave scene was great, I thought they did a good job there. But as soon as they get back to Hogwarts it all goes downhill. We lost the urgencey from them appearing back at the school and seeing the Dark Mark, we lose the amazing line when Dumbledore tells Harry he's not afraid because he's with him. And then the events at the top of the tower get extremly let down. Why does Harry suddenly trust Snape? It makes no sense. Dumbledore's death had absolutely no impact on me because these movies havn't given us enough emotional connection to him. And Harry's relationship to Dumbledore has also never been built up properly, so I really didn't feel why he gave two hoots about DD's death himself. And then when Harry's chasing down Snape, we get the line from him calling Snape a coward, but where was the vehement outburst from Snape? And then we get a Darth Vader delivery of 'I am the Half-Blood Prince', which by this time i'm sure most people had completely forgotten about that particular plotline. I'm sure they only kept in any of the Half-Blood Prince plot because that's the title of the film.
This is more of a rant than a review, but considering this was my favourite book in the series, I was incredibly let down with this movie, yet again. I can see why a lot of people do like it. If I had never read the book i'm sure I would've enjoyed it too. I certainly enjoyed it more than OotP. But knowing all the amazing content they left out in favour of such pish they did include, it all turned out to be a waste of a movie and didn't live up to what it could have been.
I will add Daniel Radcliffe has improved his acting somewhat for this film. He did a brilliant job once he'd drank the Felix Felicis, and I felt the scene when he finally convinces Slughorn to give his true memory was the best scene in the film.
Having read the book I can see where you're coming from, but none of this caused me to dislike the movie at all. If anything, the increased focus on the characters rather than plot made me enjoy this movie more . "I seek faith in the unfaithful just as you seek peace and atonement in a war-torn world."
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Sith Hunter said: matacron said: There is a remote possibility that the reason that we only saw two memories in this movie was that more memories will be shown in the two "seventh" films as they try to discern what and where the last horcruxes are.
I read on here somewhere that John Williams was going to return for the final two films. That's SO awesome. I'm eager to hear another battle song by him to be used in the final showdown at Hogwarts.
I was thinking that may be the case as well since a large part of the 7th book has to do with them being on the run and living out in the woods, which is going to probably translate in 10-15 minutes of screen time. I'm not saying that it's the best idea but it is a possibility.
As for a John Williams battle theme.... When Harry steps out to face Voldemort the opening to Duel of the Fates would be perfect lol.
Sorry man, but Duel of the Fates would be exceptionally CORNY, although that IS the spirit of what I had in mind -- an epic battle song for the final showdowns.
If you read the book, it's actually [SPOILER] NOT Harry that "fights" Voldemort in the final scene, although he does confront him. Voldemort is taken on by THREE very experienced wizards: McGonagle, Slughorn, and Kingsley Shacklebolt. I can certainly see those three being up to the task of fighting him. Personally though, I'm more interested in seeing the duel between Molly Weasley and Bellatrix LeStrange. I don't think they CAST LeStrange's part very well, but it'll still be cool to see. [/SPOILER]
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Saw the film on IMAX, which really didn't add much to the overall experience.
However, I liked it much better than Order of the Phoenix. They took their time with this one, and although they cut some corners, they did a pretty good job of adapting the story line to suit future activities.
They did some puzzling things regarding key plot points. For instance, Ginny is the one that hides the book, so if they decide to use the Room of Requirement for the diadem, that will require her to be around to look for where she hid it. Maybe that means they intend to make Ginny more of a part of the action at the school, and help out Harry more when he gets there in 7.2
They glossed over Gaunt's ring. They'll have to at least review the horcruxes for everybody at some point while they are searching for the rest. But it's already been destroyed along with the diary, so I guess it's a moot point in terms of explanation on screen. They inferred the connection in the flashback.
It was also clear that that a lot of characters are going to get very little further development in the movies, as they were trying to focus on the triad. Not much for Neville, Luna, Crabbe/Goyle, and other students. Briefest of cameos for most. I guess we'll get to see more of them at the school finale in 7.2
The couples were...ok in the awkward romantic moments. A little suspension of my disbelief at the whole Ron/Hermione relationship was required. I just don't see much chemistry on screen, although in the books the banter/bicker relationship works just fine. I think it's the actors, not the idea.
But these are minor quibbles. Overall, the acting was pretty decent, and Jim Broadbent was a standout as Slughorn. It was also nice to see Draco get some dramatic work, and he did a good job, too, as did the kids portraying Riddle.
Overall, I'd give it 3.5 stars of 5
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Perplexingly, after hating this movie for it's lack of the correct plot focus, I actually went back and paid to see it a second time As I said in my initial post, if I hadn't read the book I would've enjoyed it. And I did, suspending any belief in getting a proper adaptation. As far as the Potter movie-verse goes (which i'm starting to look at as it's own continuity) it is probably the best movie in the series. I still have my copy of the book, which i've re-read since, and that's what really matters lol.
As to Broadbent, as I thought might happen, I liked him even though he looks and acts nothing like the character's supposed to. I hated his casting, just as I hated Brendan Gleeson as Moody before seeing GoF, but also like Gleeson, I actually enjoyed his performance in end. It's still not Slughorn as he should be, and while reading HBP again not the faintest glimmer of Broadbent's performance comes into mind, but I enjoyed it for what it was none the less.
I also really have to add this. I've been one of the biggest haters of Gambon's Dumbledore since his inclusing in PoA, if you've ever read my comments you'll know this. But this movie, unbelievably, he won me over. I have to stem this down to the scripts or the prior direction, whatever. But finally in this movie he portrays a wonderful Dumbledore. As I read the book, try as I might, Gambon's mannerisms came through into the writing. Too bad it took the second to last chapter in the series for them to get it right. But i'm now definately looking forward to seeing him in Snape's memories and the purgatory scene. "Surprised to see your old nemesis, Optimus Primal? I believe we have some catching up to do. A few memory gaps to fill. Let's start with the Beast Wars. They are over. You lost."
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