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just got back from CON, and as far as movies go i think HP was way better, i left the theater for HP wanting more, i left CON thinking man that dragged on!


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I havn't seen CON, nor am I going to probably... I wanted to see it about a month ago, but I somehow lost interest in it since then. I know that the reviews for HP4 are better... At rottentomatoes.com, HP4 is 89% while CON is 76%.


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I don't know.....I actually really enjoyed Narnia. GOF has a little bit of an edge in my estimation, but I still thought Narnia was pretty well done. I was surprised that it was as long as it was, & I was really impressed with the little girl that played Lucy. I thought she was really good without being overly cutesy.


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Well...I did enjoy Potter 4 more, but just barely, because they were both really good. It's like on a test, Potter 4 got a 97 and Narnia got a 96 -- the difference between an A and an A plus.


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If you're going to compare CON to HP, then compare it with HP I. CON is the first film in the series (but the second book of the series, if I'm not mistaken). Characters need to be introduced, Narnia has to be discovered,... This is not the case with HP IV. There's no need for introductions, we already know most of what is there. I'm not saying it's like this for everyone, but whenever I watch HP and the Philosopher's Stone, I'm thinking "oh, get on with it, go to Hogwarts already!"

I haven't seen CON yet (comes out on Dec. 21st in Belgium), but I'm really excited. I'm sure it'll live up to my expectations.

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My favourite was the chronicles of narnia, i loved that film so much more than HP IV
Lord of the rings has nothing on this new fantasy film, when i went to see this new film, boy i have never seen a cinema so full, boy was it worth it, great film, and it could have gone on longer in my opinion, and if you think that films long, go see king kong at over 180 minutes, thats long.
But titanic was longer than that and it was a naff film in my opinion. But these films are two different types, harry potter - a supposable thriller and the chronicles of narnia a fantasy, a fantastic fantasy film, good acting overall. And (luckliy) they played down the supposeable religious content, which is good cos otherwise in this modern age it probably wouldn't have gone down well over here.

CON 10/10

HP IV 5/10

But thats my opinion

I'll just have to read the books for the chronicles of narnia


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Snape said:

CON is the first film in the series (but the second book of the series, if I'm not mistaken).


No, LLW is the first book in the series. Chronilogically, yes it did come later, but since their not filming them that way and are thus preserving the mystery present when the books were first written, LLW does come first.


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it is the 2nd book, the first doesnt really relate to this story at all (it does but not very much at all) still the first HP movie was better than this the effects were only average, you could tell when they were green screening quite often i actually shuddered i like the book though


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brentage5000 said:

Snape said:

CON is the first film in the series (but the second book of the series, if I'm not mistaken).


No, LLW is the first book in the series. Chronilogically, yes it did come later, but since their not filming them that way and are thus preserving the mystery present when the books were first written, LLW does come first.


I don't understand what you're saying. The Magician's Nephew is the first book, LLW is the second.




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Roonil Wazlib said:

brentage5000 said:

Snape said:

CON is the first film in the series (but the second book of the series, if I'm not mistaken).


No, LLW is the first book in the series. Chronilogically, yes it did come later, but since their not filming them that way and are thus preserving the mystery present when the books were first written, LLW does come first.


I don't understand what you're saying. The Magician's Nephew is the first book, LLW is the second.

Chronologically yes, but not the original publication order.

Chronologically they go:
1. The Magicians Nephew
2. The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe
3. The Horse and His Boy
4. Prince Caspian
5. The Voyage of the Dawn Treader
6. The Silver Chair
7. The Last Battle

But publication order is:
1. The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe (1950)
2. Prince Caspian(1951)
3. The Voyage of the Dawn Treader (1952)
4. The Silver Chair (1953)
5. The Horse and His Boy (1954)
6. The Magicians Nephew(1955)
7. The Last Battle (1956)


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Chou_Zu said:

Roonil Wazlib said:

brentage5000 said:

Snape said:

CON is the first film in the series (but the second book of the series, if I'm not mistaken).


No, LLW is the first book in the series. Chronilogically, yes it did come later, but since their not filming them that way and are thus preserving the mystery present when the books were first written, LLW does come first.


I don't understand what you're saying. The Magician's Nephew is the first book, LLW is the second.

Chronologically yes, but not the original publication order.

Chronologically they go:
1. The Magicians Nephew
2. The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe
3. The Horse and His Boy
4. Prince Caspian
5. The Voyage of the Dawn Treader
6. The Silver Chair
7. The Last Battle

But publication order is:
1. The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe (1950)
2. Prince Caspian(1951)
3. The Voyage of the Dawn Treader (1952)
4. The Silver Chair (1953)
5. The Horse and His Boy (1954)
6. The Magicians Nephew(1955)
7. The Last Battle (1956)


But why is that, huh ? Isn't it kinda stupid not to release them chronologically ?




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Roonil Wazlib said:

Chou_Zu said:

Roonil Wazlib said:

brentage5000 said:

Snape said:

CON is the first film in the series (but the second book of the series, if I'm not mistaken).


No, LLW is the first book in the series. Chronilogically, yes it did come later, but since their not filming them that way and are thus preserving the mystery present when the books were first written, LLW does come first.


I don't understand what you're saying. The Magician's Nephew is the first book, LLW is the second.

Chronologically yes, but not the original publication order.

Chronologically they go:
1. The Magicians Nephew
2. The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe
3. The Horse and His Boy
4. Prince Caspian
5. The Voyage of the Dawn Treader
6. The Silver Chair
7. The Last Battle

But publication order is:
1. The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe (1950)
2. Prince Caspian(1951)
3. The Voyage of the Dawn Treader (1952)
4. The Silver Chair (1953)
5. The Horse and His Boy (1954)
6. The Magicians Nephew(1955)
7. The Last Battle (1956)


But why is that, huh ? Isn't it kinda stupid not to release them chronologically ?


It's to create a sense of mystery and intrigue and to keep people coming back. If they knew everything already, it's less likely they'd go see/read the next one. By your logic, JK Rowling should have written Voldemort's rise for the first book, Dumbledore hearing the prophecy and Harry's birth and his parents death for the second, then the trials sshowing Peter's betrayal and Sirius getting shipped to Azkaban, and then Harry getting dropped off, at which point we pick up the story. It's the same basic principle -- lacck of immediate answers creates increased interest.


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brentage5000 said:

Roonil Wazlib said:

Chou_Zu said:

Roonil Wazlib said:

brentage5000 said:

Snape said:

CON is the first film in the series (but the second book of the series, if I'm not mistaken).


No, LLW is the first book in the series. Chronilogically, yes it did come later, but since their not filming them that way and are thus preserving the mystery present when the books were first written, LLW does come first.


I don't understand what you're saying. The Magician's Nephew is the first book, LLW is the second.

Chronologically yes, but not the original publication order.

Chronologically they go:
1. The Magicians Nephew
2. The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe
3. The Horse and His Boy
4. Prince Caspian
5. The Voyage of the Dawn Treader
6. The Silver Chair
7. The Last Battle

But publication order is:
1. The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe (1950)
2. Prince Caspian(1951)
3. The Voyage of the Dawn Treader (1952)
4. The Silver Chair (1953)
5. The Horse and His Boy (1954)
6. The Magicians Nephew(1955)
7. The Last Battle (1956)


But why is that, huh ? Isn't it kinda stupid not to release them chronologically ?


It's to create a sense of mystery and intrigue and to keep people coming back. If they knew everything already, it's less likely they'd go see/read the next one. By your logic, JK Rowling should have written Voldemort's rise for the first book, Dumbledore hearing the prophecy and Harry's birth and his parents death for the second, then the trials sshowing Peter's betrayal and Sirius getting shipped to Azkaban, and then Harry getting dropped off, at which point we pick up the story. It's the same basic principle -- lacck of immediate answers creates increased interest.


umm, yeah ok, you're right.




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Also, the main events as it were in the Chronicles happen in LWW, Caspian, and Dawn Treader (and to an extent TSC). These are the ones that include the Pevensies and see their main adventures in Narnia as they take place in order.
The movies are following these three first as the same actors can play the kids throughout. In Horse and His Boy they're already adults, so it wouldn't make sense to make that before Caspian and Dawn Treader.

And also, as a movie, Magician's Nephew wouldn't really work being the first. They really need to establish Narnia in the other movies before showing it's creation, because really that's all that book was about. It's like, no one really would be wise to read the Silmarillion before Lord of the Rings, you'd just get lost. You need LotR as a basis before going back and looking at the Sil. As a book, Magician's Nephew is fine being the first because you can wiz through it in less than a day, but being the opening movie wouldn't have worked imo.


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I think HP is better although I have not seen the movie, nor am I going to 'till it is on video. I just think some things are stupid like the fact that some animals that talk shouldn't be. Beavers, lions, & wolves don't talk!


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I think HP is better although I have not seen the movie, nor am I going to 'till it is on video. I just think some things are stupid like the fact that some animals that talk shouldn't be. Beavers, lions, & wolves don't talk!

You tell that to Reepicheep!

There are plenty of animals in Narnia that don't talk either. It's only the Narnians (those animals that Aslan made smarter) which can talk. These have the same status that people do in thier world.

I think it's great


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Narnia is better than Goblet of Fire, 'nuff said.


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Chou_Zu said:

Also, the main events as it were in the Chronicles happen in LWW, Caspian, and Dawn Treader (and to an extent TSC). These are the ones that include the Pevensies and see their main adventures in Narnia as they take place in order.
The movies are following these three first as the same actors can play the kids throughout. In Horse and His Boy they're already adults, so it wouldn't make sense to make that before Caspian and Dawn Treader.

And also, as a movie, Magician's Nephew wouldn't really work being the first. They really need to establish Narnia in the other movies before showing it's creation, because really that's all that book was about. It's like, no one really would be wise to read the Silmarillion before Lord of the Rings, you'd just get lost. You need LotR as a basis before going back and looking at the Sil. As a book, Magician's Nephew is fine being the first because you can wiz through it in less than a day, but being the opening movie wouldn't have worked imo.


Don't forget about the last battle. That has Edmund and Peter and Lucy in it...and as adults too, I believe.


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I loved them both, and I won't compare them because to me, they're completely different.




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I really enjoyed this movie & it's kind of hard to compare the two movies, because they're both different. And is it just me, or did anyone else notice the really kind of eerie resemblance between the kid that played Edmund & Lukas Haas? If you don't know who Lukas Haas is, he was in the movie "Witness" with Harrison Ford, about the Amish. I just kept watching it going "That kid looks so much like Lukas Haas!!" I was really impressed with all of the kids acting.


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Padfoot_Pride said:

I think HP is better although I have not seen the movie, nor am I going to 'till it is on video. I just think some things are stupid like the fact that some animals that talk shouldn't be. Beavers, lions, & wolves don't talk!


I think it's great


Hear hear

I love talking animals! The wolf in the trailer saying "get them" was already brrrrrrr! Besides, talking animals are used sooo often. Look at the Cheshire cat in Alice in Wonderland. That's an animal that " shouldn't be able to talk either, cause cats are quite stupid in real life. (it has no idea it can breathe through its mouth and won't try to either if you close its nose; there's a fun fact for you hehe)



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DiamondDave5150OU812 said:

Ok, they are both good, but fail in comparrison to the greatness of the Van Halen Live Without a Net Concert.


live without a net?? what in merlins beard are you talking about??

besides.. Van Halen is washed up.... Eddie is a hack now... reason they broke up was because of him....

and the reunion tour was crap....


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*AHEM*

Back to the topic at hand.

It's finals week so I won't be seeing CON until this weekend (maybe). I'm going to see it at some point...just don't have time right now...



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DiamondDave5150OU812 said:

Ok, they are both good, but fail in comparrison to the greatness of the Van Halen Live Without a Net Concert.

*spits coffee on keyboard-- keyboard breaks* Darn it, now I have to call an engineer.

Anyway..yeah, what are you talking about?

I haven't seen CON yet and won't come out until Boxing Day. *sighs* Why couldn't I have been born in America?


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Iv'e seen HP 4 but I don't want to see CON anyway because I want to see HP4 again with my grandma. But I have to do it on a weekend when I get off work.


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NightWolverine007 said:

DiamondDave5150OU812 said:

Ok, they are both good, but fail in comparrison to the greatness of the Van Halen Live Without a Net Concert.

*spits coffee on keyboard-- keyboard breaks* Darn it, now I have to call an engineer.

Anyway..yeah, what are you talking about?

I haven't seen CON yet and won't come out until Boxing Day. *sighs* Why couldn't I have been born in America?


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i did like CON, dont know if i would see its sequels though (at least not on opening day )


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PyroGurl said:

I won't compare them because to me, they're completely different.
True.


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pimpjoe_esb said:

PyroGurl said:

I won't compare them because to me, they're completely different.
True.


It's like HP and LOTR for me. I don't want to compare them or say which is better b/c they are both fantastic but very different.




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I took my nephew to see Narnia this week, & I think I'm liking it more every time I see it. Please don't tell me that I'm the only one who keeps calling the kids the "Pensieves" instead of the "Pevensies"!!!


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luvsharryp said:

I took my nephew to see Narnia this week, & I think I'm liking it more every time I see it. Please don't tell me that I'm the only one who keeps calling the kids the "Pensieves" instead of the "Pevensies"!!!


No, you're not. Every time I read that name, I kept saying Pensieves.




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