pluckydapatriot said:

and whose gonna be the villians?
would it be the human torch, namor himself, or the nazis?(all of which were namor comic book storylines)

Longshot said:

I don't know. I can't even understand how Namor gets a movie when he can't even keep a book going for more than 12 months.

He and Silver Surfer should remain in FF movies.

Longshot said:

But basicly he's just Aquaman with Spock ears. He was never interesting, unlike Blade and Hellboy (who is only marginally entertaining at best).

It just irks me that great heroes sit on the shelf while 3rd tier characters get films. Eventually the market for superhero films will be over saturated and when they stop producing the money, other films will not be green lit. I'd hate to think we won't see an Avengers film because of a poor performing Namor or Silver Surfer film.

Longshot said:

No, I haven't read his comic. That's the point, no one has.

He was good as a secondary character in FF or X-Men or Avengers but the guy just plain sucks.

Keep in mind I've never read the WWII stuff, but in the modern books any villian can trick this bozo into helping the, Magneto, Dr. Doom and Loki just to name a few.

He can't sustain a comic on his own, so how can he sustain a movie?

Longshot said:

Also, I know Avengers (if done correctly) would not have second rate character. And I know that it will never be made. id was just an example. But we could use Captain America's solo film or Iron Man's film. The point is that if too many crappy super hero films come out and tank, producers will start to recoil. So far the Hulk was a box office dud, Daredevil barely broke even and Catwoman will be just horrid. Id won't take many more bad super hero films for the industry to say that anything without Batman, Spiderman or X-Men is to be avoided like the plauge.

Sopranofannyc said:

C'mon man, that's just being bloddy narrow-minded. Hulk was NOT a box office dud, it did EXTREMELY well in it's first weekend (62 mil), and then went into a tail-spin, I grant you that, but it wasn't a DUD. Daredevil and Hulk, by the way, are top tier characters. You're original statement was to say that 2nd and 3rd tier characters shouldn't be made. But then you say Daredevil and Hulk weren't done well. I think it's a good idea to make as many of these as possible...... going to the movies has been tough to do for a while, because there is nothing really great or original out there. With these comics getting translated to the big screen, it's re-envigorated the imaginations of movie-goers. Ok, so a lot of them are sub-par to some, but to say that the industry will wind up saying "only a handful of the most elite characters should be produced" is really not giving those suits in Hollywood much credit. Granted, the decisions that they make can be really nuts, but I think they see the potential for A LOT of comics. Sub-Mariner is being penned by a well respected screenwriter (David Self), and from the little that I've read that can be told to the press about it, it's supposed to be a terrific screenplay.

Sopranofannyc said:

How do you prepose to fit Namor into an FF film in the first place? Clearly, Doom is going to be the target nemesis of the FF in this film.......there'd be no way to include Namor even if they wanted to bring him on board. I might be wrong about this, but didn't Sub-Mariner appear on the scene before Aquaman? In any event, you wanted to know of any memorable events in Sub-Mariner comics. In the early seventies, when his little cousin Namorita first appeared on the scene. He was going thru one of his "memory lapse" phases. When he wound up going back to Atlantis, got into a pitched battle with the woman who was responsible for his Father's death........ look, I guess we can both, shall we say: Agree to disagree. But here's the facts....... Universal Studios saw the ability for this comic to translate into something fresh on the big screen. And to that end, they went out and hired a top-notch screenwriter to also Exec. Produce it. All I'm saying is, is that there are some people out there who saw the opportunity to take a lesser known character, because there WAS something there..... granted, he's not a big timer anymore, but neither was Blade when they went out to make the film. Blade was a supporting character from the pages of Tomb of Dracula , and look where that went. I don't think that they are making a film that is necessarily going to be the same Namor that we all know from the comics. Even though I'd like to, personally, see them stay the course and do his origin the way I would like to see it, that dosen't mean that a really good screenwriter can't do a better justice to it.

Sopranofannyc said:

There was a time when I thought that Sub-Mariner could be brought into another film: The X-Men. Remember in the comics in the early sixties, when Namor was being recruited by both Prof. X and by Magneto to join both their causes. I remember once posting this idea on another internet site such as this, and I got mightily shouted down. "That SUCKS, MAN!" That sort of thing...... people thought that you couldn't introduce Namor into that film because some thought that it wouldn't float (no pun intended), that HE would be considered a mutant. But I thought that this would be a good idea in order to bring Sub-Mariner into films: By presenting him into another film, like you've suggested. But even as a second tier character, there are those who think that he wouldn't work. So I guess we'll just have to see if (and when.......or should this be "when and IF"), this film comes out just how unrealistic it is to have another 2nd tier character come out.

Oh, by the way...... I always felt that Namor was a MUCH more interesting character than Aquaman. I just think that there are SO many more things that you can do with him.

Longshot said:

Basicly, I would have the FF fighting some super villian (good time for a cameo of a minor villian). In the battle, an oil tanker is sunk. The FF defeat the villian and go to rescue the people from the oil tanker but Sub Mariner brings the ship up and drags it ashore.

Mister Fantastic goes to thank him and he freaks out. He fights Reed, Johnny and Thing. When Sue goes to fight him, he is captivated by her beauty and flees.

Later we see who Namor is and that he hates humanity for what they've done to his oceans.

He decides to destroy all the off shore oil dereks. He starts attacking and the FF have to stop him. He captures Sue and plans to make her his bride.

Despite his arogance and everything, Sue is strangely attracted to him. There is a brief romance and then she comes to her senses. Now he feels scorned so he decides to do even more damage to humanity.

There is a final battle and then something happens that threatens to destroy the entire planet. Namor must work with the FF to save his people and theirs.

In the end, he goes back to the ocean but vows that if they do not protect his oceans from the land, he will be back to protect his people the only way he knows how, by force.