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POSTED Thursday, July 04, 2002 06:57:49 AM Delete post? (Moderator ONLY)
Both have an assortment of weapons, above average fighting skills, and posses superior combat knowledge. Which Vigilante would come out on top?

Caught in the heart of a nuclear explosion, victim of gamma radiation gone wild, Dr. Robert Bruce Banner now finds himself transformed during times of stress into the dark personification of his repressed rage and fury -- the most powerful man-like creature ever to walk the face of the Earth!
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punisher will kick the $hit out of batman.just one shot and thats it.the only way batman could win is if bruce wayne payed frank to lose.

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This again AtomicChuck? The Punisher would lose, they showed it in a BATMAN&PUNISHER and in PUNISHER&BATMAN special back in 1994. Mr.Perefect you know what your problem is, you like the Punisher so much that you'll say that he'll win anything against anybody, what's up with that man. You need to know your characters before you say that he'll win or lose.

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Say Vok since you seem to spend alot of time remembering these useful facts how exactly did Batman win and did he beat the Punisher with ease. The way I see it a bunch high chair Marvel & DC exect's could have sat down in a boardroom and figured they'd do a little poll to see who the readers would like to win. Now the way I see Mr.P is entitled to his opinion and as far as posting another Punisher VS, its just my way of seeing how tough some people think the Punisher is. Now when you base the outcome of the battle on statistics instead readers opinions I think you may or may not come up with a different ending. So if seeing a SECOND Punisher VS disappoints you so much shouldn't you just move on to another post?

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nok.i dont like him too much to say that.i seriously think that the punisher would win.its an opinion.i know theres alot of marvel characters that could beat the punisher but i dont think batman could.

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I know I thought so too when it did come out. Hey AtomicChuck I did put the story of what happen between PUNISHER and BATMAN, but for some reason it wouldn't let me put up my reply, and it cleared everything. And I'm to tired to do it again. I'll do it again but not right now, but if you have more V.S. to ask I'll do my best to answer them.

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The punisher is meaner than Batman and started out as a serious character where as Batman was never that serious and grew into the older audiance but still has good willed ways. In reality the punisher would win- in the comic book world Batman due to favourtism. It does not matter marvel have their own collection of characters and DC their collection and if people want to divide then I think we can both be happy in our universes.

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Batman is going to win idiot. Real world or not.

The Punisher and Batman fought in a crossover three times and Batman won?

In the second Punisher/Batman crossover Batman got in more hits than the Punisher did. Batman was far faster. The Punisher only got in one or two hits. At the end of the story Batman even saw a punch the Punisher was going to give him a mile away. Batman let the Punisher hit him. But when the Punisher tried to hit Batman again Batman just threw the Punisher down to the ground very easily.

Batman has taken out men like the Punisher many times. Like in Batman: Outlaws. Plus, in another crossover that involved many Marvel and DC characters. It's been made obvious that Batman outclasses him.

What Batman does to beat his opponent is get a profile on them. He looks up all information on the subject. There height weight, their tendencies, their powers and weaknesses. He is the smartest human being on the planet practically. He is the greatest detective in the world. He would know things about you nobody else would. He has a profile on every super hero and villain on the DC planet, but none in the superhero universe. Batman has all the craftiest equipment imaginable.

Batman is better in hand-to-hand combat skills. Batman traveled the world studying from the greatest Martial arts masters. He studied under even Hudini the master escape artist. Learned about Ninjistu. Batman spent years mastering all the skills a human being could master.

Batmans suit is far more powerful than the Punisher body-armor. In the second Punisher/Batman crossover Jigsaw shot Batman 4 times at pointblank range in the chest with a 45 with hollow point bullets. Batman was a little hurt but it didnt kill him.

Batman actually fought the Hulk once and he got to find Hulk's weakness. What Batman did was when the Hulk grabbed him in a bear hug Batman knew he had one chance. So he waited till the split second when Hulk Exhaled and with everything he had he kicked Hulk in the Soloplex. And the Hulk lost all his air then Batman broke free Batman, never ever gets surprised by anything.

The people, the things, the mysteries, the cases and everything that Batman has done over the years since like what the late 1920's or 30's shows Batman could beat the Punisher any day no matter if the Punisher had guns. And Batman has been doing this a LOT LONGER than the Punisher has. Batman could find ways to throw tear gas or blind punisher somehow. Or do an assortment other things to beat punisher. Batman just has far more experience than the Punisher.

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Frank just needs to do some recon on Batman and find out who his secret identity is and aim for the head. Take out Alfreds crusty behind too. Punisher would kill him with one shot. On the other hand I see a Punisher and Batman fight with Bats jumping and flipping and kicking around like a bad stunt double of Van Damme. Castle would wait til Bats tires himself from all the hopping and dancing around and shove a grenade down his suit. Anybody catch Van Damme in the background of Breakin', the movie. Right when the beach scene is about to end. HILARIOUS. Punisher is the man.

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That's it..... just like that it would be that easy??????????
Well the answer is NO. If it was that easy then Batman would have been killed years ago.

I'm with you on this Amaranth. You give far more reasons and facts as to why Batman would win.




Batman is going to win idiot. Real world or not.

The Punisher and Batman fought in a crossover three times and Batman won.

In the second Punisher/Batman crossover Batman got in more hits than the Punisher did. Batman was far faster. The Punisher only got in one or two hits. At the end of the story Batman even saw a punch the Punisher was going to give him a mile away. Batman let the Punisher hit him. But when the Punisher tried to hit Batman again Batman just threw the Punisher down to the ground very easily.

Batman has taken out men like the Punisher many times. Like in Batman: Outlaws. Plus, in another crossover that involved many Marvel and DC characters. It's been made obvious that Batman outclasses him.

What Batman does to beat his opponent is get a profile on them. He looks up all information on the subject. There height weight, their tendencies, their powers and weaknesses. He is the smartest human being on the planet practically. He is the greatest detective in the world. He would know things about you nobody else would. He has a profile on every super hero and villain on the DC planet, but none in the superhero universe. Batman has all the craftiest equipment imaginable.

Batman is better in hand-to-hand combat skills. Batman traveled the world studying from the greatest Martial arts masters. He studied under even Hudini the master escape artist. Learned about Ninjistu. Batman spent years mastering all the skills a human being could master.

Batman's suit is far more powerful than the Punisher body-armor. In the second Punisher/Batman crossover Jigsaw shot Batman 4 times at pointblank range in the chest with a 45 with hollow point bullets. Batman was a little hurt but it didn't kill him.

Batman actually fought the Hulk once and he got to find Hulk's weakness. What Batman did was when the Hulk grabbed him in a bear hug Batman knew he had one chance. So he waited till the split second when Hulk Exhaled and with everything he had he kicked Hulk in the Soloplex. And the Hulk lost all his air then Batman broke free Batman, never ever gets surprised by anything.

The people, the things, the mysteries, the cases and everything that Batman has done over the years since like what the late 1920's or 30's shows Batman could beat the Punisher any day no matter if the Punisher had guns. And Batman has been doing this a LOT LONGER than the Punisher has. Batman could find ways to throw tear gas or blind punisher somehow. Or do an assortment other things to beat punisher. Batman just has far more experience than the Punisher.

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Batman is not 80 years old now even if his comics been around that long, Captain America can get away with that excuse so where does Batman's career start?

But I think batman he has a lingering silver age and childrens TV serious persona about him still and not so long ago an English TV comedy used batman and robin as a costume joke.

Like he can never be beaten mentality and he is super quick and knows the moves. Problem is the movies show no sign of him actually doing these superior martial art moves in anyway, just kicks and punches that supposedly work out in his favour.

Unlike the Punisher he gets into trouble or beaten and Marvel is not afraid to show the weak sides of characters that make them a little more human, I think the unbeatable myth of Batman keeps him in the safe circle.

Batman fans seems uneasy to accept that he can lose and the comic book writers are afraid to show that as in reality he would lose too everyone does. He is not superhuman and more a gadgets man but only so long you can play that game.

The punisher is also not super human and is in a way above reality from Batman as for being remotely real; there are people like him in the world now I bet the vigilante types, they too would not last the amount of comic book battles they make out to have.

The other argument is Spiderman or Daredevil as semi- super Human and makes them that much more fantasy but interesting as escapism to read but not immortal.

But a step up from that there is Superman, he is so unbreakable its hard for the fans to accept he can be defeated. If he can be and hence if someone who can pose a threat to him it makes his persona by name a failure.

But again on another scale Marvel has Thor and the Silversurfer one is cosmic and one is Godly, so the fantasy level is raised above Superman in some ways but is far more accepted for being in that realm.

The Problem is Batman is not super and he is made out to be unbeatable, Superman is over super earth bound being who is too powerful for his own story telling good as his enemies lack the test of time.

Maybe Batman could beat the Punisher because no one wants to accept a non-superhero like Batman losing and it along with Superman getting beat unless it's another Superman. Most of the heroes like Batman would have been killed if they spent this long doing their jobs, in reality they would only last for 10 years as a hero if they decide to retire, guess that is why they restart the stories in new Volumes like they do.

One thing that Marvel did was make it either half real or complete fantasy, unlike DC over the years it has buckled under its weight as to where its stands in the credibility realm. It's a lot of seperate universes like books and are missing that unity but does well for in its seperation too, guess there are different ways of doing things.

Characters showing off their super abilities founded Comic Books and Marvel was founded on characters being freaks of nature with a problem.

DC would lose if they applied the Marvel characters in their universe and Marvel would lose if they accept DC universe characters in their realm as they are too hyped due to being the first to be created. It depends on ones philosophy too and don't give comic book writers all the realistic credit on who wins if its a close call, sometimes things are over blown for the audiance or sometimes favoured to sell the thing in the first place.

Marvel loves it's tragedy element where DC loves it's winners medel.

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batman can beat m0onsters like

clayface

manbat

killer croc

mr freeze

i tihnk he could take down this guy

boom one smoke bomb one smack in the head anda really bad beating then lock his ass up and call ti aday batman win's

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All Punisher have to do is blow Batmans Brains out with a sniper rifle.
Plan and simple.

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demon-x said:

batman can beat m0onsters like

clayface

manbat

killer croc

mr freeze

i tihnk he could take down this guy

boom one smoke bomb one smack in the head anda really bad beating then lock his ass up and call ti aday batman win's



Yeah any fighter could beat monsters like that when you have a billion dallors to buy machines and gagets that can do anything.

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That's it..... just like that it would be that easy??????????
Well the answer is NO. If it was that easy then Batman would have been killed years ago.


Man you said it Turelim X.

In a Vs post your suppose to list the reasons and the facts as to why one would win over the other.... and the more reasons and facts you give the more that the other one will win. I have given far more reasons and facts as to why Batman would win.

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Batman-good question though.




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Batman would win.

Fot the Punisher fans, anwer me this. If Punisher can take people out so easily (a sniper rifle was suggested), why hasn't he?

Let's seem he's fought and gotten his ass kicked by Captain America, Spiderman, Wolverine, Daredevil, Nightcrawler, Ghost Rider, Hawkeye and Silver Sable. Seriously, Silver Sable?
Untill he recently killed Jack O Lantern and the Jester, who has he killed? And to kill those two crap fests, he had to shoot them from behind.

And for the person who said Frank would do recon and find out who batman is, who is to say Batman wouldn't do recon on Punisher and get him while he sleeps. While Batman wouldn't kill Punisher, he would kick the living crap out of him and send his ass to jail.

And please don't think I have some Batman or DC bias. I am a Marvel fan to the core. But Frank is just out-gunned in the brains department and in the fighting skills department.

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One-thing Punisher fans don't like to admit to is that the Punisher has been beaten by people like Batman, Daredevil, Spider-Man, Captain America and so on. Now they like to say that the writer who wrote it made that happen. Or they like to say that to them... it didnt happen. That' it's non-canon to them. Well the fact is that the Punisher has gotten his ass kicked by them. It happened.

You know I'm a Punisher fan.... but I'm not the kind of fan that's going to vote for him just because I like him more than Batman.

And that's really the reason why fans say who's going to win. There not saying that because they really think there going to win... but because they like the character more than the other.

I look at who the Punisher can beat.... and who he can't.

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Longshot said:

Batman would win.

Fot the Punisher fans, anwer me this. If Punisher can take people out so easily (a sniper rifle was suggested), why hasn't he?





Because there made by writers that do the comics there way.
And that's all I need to say.

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Ok, while I love both the Punisher and Batman a lot, I have to say that Batman would come out on top hands down. The Punisher is a definitely a badass ex-marine and naturally has some degree of fighting skill, but remember guys, Batman is the most skilled fighter in all of DC comics and probably all of Marvel as well. His only true rival would be Captain America who is the most skilled in all of Marvel.

Batman kicked the Punishers ass in Punisher vs Batman. There's really no contest between the two. Minus the gadgets, guns and batarangs and come down strictly to brains and hand to hand combat, seriously are you going to put your money on Frank Castle or Bruce Wayne? And forget all of the silver age bs about how Batman has changed. We're not talking about Adam West here, we're talking about the Dark Knight .
I mean for Christ's sake Batman was able to beat Aliens and Predator...think The Punisher could do that...I don't think so.

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Amaranth said:

One-thing Punisher fans don't like to admit to is that the Punisher has been beaten by people like Batman, Daredevil, Spider-Man, Captain America and so on. Now they like to say that the writer who wrote it made that happen. .



Yeah, so. The writer did make it happen. Why is that a bad thing to say? All those heros Punisher went up againts were superhumans with powers so of course they will have a better chance at winning. The writers don't wont to dissappoint the Batman fans so they always make Batman win no matter who he fights. Which is just nonsense.

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I mean for Christ's sake Batman was able to beat Aliens and Predator...think The Punisher could do that...I don't think so.



That's what I'm talking about. Batman does'nt have powers but hes always able to beat gaint monters that could just knock him throw a brick wall and kill him. But he always wins as if hes Superman or something.

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The Punisher is too Gangster to be compared with prissy Brucey. Frank drugged Dr. Bruce Banner and tricked WOLVERINE, DAREDEVIL AND SPIDER MAN to follow him to a warehouse and the Hulk crushed them. I'm going to look up my collection and give the exact issues. Punisher took out the Marvel Universe. He loses in X overs with Brucey cuz the writers understand popularity is a hoe and hoe's make the money. Brucey is popular so he's the hoe and he makes the money. One shot and Brucey is dead. Writers need to make a comic book with a few pages not with one panel. No one would buy it, right? Give Brucey a batarang and Punisher a glock and lets see who walks away. Booyah!!! Brucey's brains on the floor.

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Amigo said:

The Punisher is too Gangster to be compared with prissy Brucey. Frank drugged Dr. Bruce Banner and tricked WOLVERINE, DAREDEVIL AND SPIDER MAN to follow him to a warehouse and the Hulk crushed them. I'm going to look up my collection and give the exact issues. Punisher took out the Marvel Universe. He loses in X overs with Brucey cuz the writers understand popularity is a hoe and hoe's make the money. Brucey is popular so he's the hoe and he makes the money. One shot and Brucey is dead. Writers need to make a comic book with a few pages not with one panel. No one would buy it, right? Give Brucey a batarang and Punisher a glock and lets see who walks away. Booyah!!! Brucey's brains on the floor.



Thank you Amigo.
That's what I'm saying.

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MARTIANCAVEMAN said:

Longshot said:

Batman would win.

Fot the Punisher fans, anwer me this. If Punisher can take people out so easily (a sniper rifle was suggested), why hasn't he?





Because there made by writers that do the comics there way.
And that's all I need to say.


Yes, the writers have made him ineffective. Thus, he is ineffective. The characters are exactly what the writers make them to be and Punisher is written as a guy who is great at taking down noname mob bosses or drug lords but when faced with real advesaries, he loses. Maybe he can't handle the pressure or maybe he just isn't that good. But the fact remains that if the writers say he loses to Daredevil or Captain America or whoever, then he loses to them. It is canon.

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Longshot said:

MARTIANCAVEMAN said:

Longshot said:

Batman would win.

Fot the Punisher fans, anwer me this. If Punisher can take people out so easily (a sniper rifle was suggested), why hasn't he?





Because there made by writers that do the comics there way.
And that's all I need to say.


Yes, the writers have made him ineffective. Thus, he is ineffective. The characters are exactly what the writers make them to be and Punisher is written as a guy who is great at taking down noname mob bosses or drug lords but when faced with real advesaries, he loses. Maybe he can't handle the pressure or maybe he just isn't that good. But the fact remains that if the writers say he loses to Daredevil or Captain America or whoever, then he loses to them. It is canon.



So if the writers say Batman can beat Superman in hand to hand combat he can?

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MARTIANCAVEMAN said:

Longshot said:

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Batman would win.

Fot the Punisher fans, anwer me this. If Punisher can take people out so easily (a sniper rifle was suggested), why hasn't he?





Because there made by writers that do the comics there way.
And that's all I need to say.


Yes, the writers have made him ineffective. Thus, he is ineffective. The characters are exactly what the writers make them to be and Punisher is written as a guy who is great at taking down noname mob bosses or drug lords but when faced with real advesaries, he loses. Maybe he can't handle the pressure or maybe he just isn't that good. But the fact remains that if the writers say he loses to Daredevil or Captain America or whoever, then he loses to them. It is canon.



So if the writers say Batman can beat Superman in hand to hand combat he can?


True, so very true, Martian. So, that must mean that he can also beat Doomsday and Darkseid at the same time. I mean, he's Batman, right? That's the way they write him. I think I'm gonna hurl.

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Amigo said:

MARTIANCAVEMAN said:

Longshot said:

MARTIANCAVEMAN said:

Longshot said:

Batman would win.

Fot the Punisher fans, anwer me this. If Punisher can take people out so easily (a sniper rifle was suggested), why hasn't he?





Because there made by writers that do the comics there way.
And that's all I need to say.


Yes, the writers have made him ineffective. Thus, he is ineffective. The characters are exactly what the writers make them to be and Punisher is written as a guy who is great at taking down noname mob bosses or drug lords but when faced with real advesaries, he loses. Maybe he can't handle the pressure or maybe he just isn't that good. But the fact remains that if the writers say he loses to Daredevil or Captain America or whoever, then he loses to them. It is canon.



So if the writers say Batman can beat Superman in hand to hand combat he can?


True, so very true, Martian. So, that must mean that he can also beat Doomsday and Darkseid at the same time. I mean, he's Batman, right? That's the way they write him. I think I'm gonna hurl.



What if Punisher started shooting at Batman at first site. Batman can't dodge bullets.

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Batman's suit is far more powerful than the Punisher body-armor. In the second Punisher/Batman crossover Jigsaw shot Batman 4 times at pointblank range in the chest with a 45 with hollow point bullets. Batman was a little hurt but it didn't kill him.

And yet I don't see Punisher fans bringing up when the Punisher was beaten by those characters or anybody who has beaten him.

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And yet I don't see Punisher fans bringing up when the Punisher was beaten by those characters or anybody who has beaten him.



And I don't see any of you bringing up the times Punisher actaully beat some of those characters.

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You are right, Martian. I mean he beats those characters left and right but people only remember Batman doing his role. No prob with that. Just that the popularity bar is too high for bats and too low for Punisher. I sympathize with the Punisher because of his realness and grit. Me being a military guy myself I know that the stuff he does is real or most of it for that matter. Thats why I know for a fact that he can take out ANYONE. Bats on the other hand is waaaaaaaaaay too fake. Maybe thats why I see him more as a clown and Frank being able to easily take him out with one shot. SEALS end mssions with one shot. Frank is no different. But Batman is Batman and people don't want a childhood hero cartoony guy to lose. I prefer reality over fantasy.

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