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| Who'd win: Wolverine or Batman?
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| POSTED Monday , July 16, 2001 10:38:57 AM |
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Okay folks, we've done this before and had some heated responses. Imagine if there were a battle between Wolvie and Bats. Both knew the fight was going to take place (no sneaking up on the person while they sleep). It is in a nuetral location (sorry, Gothom or the Danger Room would sway it too much one way or the other).
We're talking a straight out fight. Mano-a-mano.
Bats has all of his usual bat-arsenal. He has the car and the belt and the grappling hooks and sprays. Wolvie has his adamantium skelleton, claws and healing factor.
So who wins?
Here's my take on it: I say Wolvie wins. I think Bats will fight him for hours, wearing himself down while Wolvie's healing factor keeps him fresh and in the game. Eventually, Wolvie finally makes contact with his pig-stickers and Bats is down. 1 second and 3 claws later, Bats is out of the fight.
See, Bats has no margin for error. While he is a great thinker, he doesn't have the time to research Wolvie nor is he able to lead him to his home turf. Sure, he has that nice car, but it isn't much help in a fight. And what good is being the world's greatest detective in a fist fight?
Wolvie is "the best there is at what he does", which involves beating the heck out of other people dressed in colored spandex. While Bats fights guys like the Riddler, the Joker and Two Face, Wolvie is used to battling big guns like Magneto, the Juggernaught, Mr. Sinister, Apocolyps and Sabertooth.
And don't give me that "but Batman defeated Superman in Dark Knight Returns". Yeah, 40 years in the future, Joker is gay and batman defeats Superman with the help of a one-armed Green Arrow. So who know, maybe 40 years from now with the help of Ollie, Bats could beat Wolvie. But not now.
So what do you think?
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| REPLIED Monday , July 16, 2001 10:57:55 AM |
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We're talking a straight out fight. Mano-a-mano.
Bats has all of his usual bat-arsenal. He has the car and the belt and the grappling hooks and sprays. Wolvie has his adamantium skelleton, claws and healing factor.
So who wins?
Well, that's easy enuff. Batman wins, hands down.
I think Bats will fight him for hours, wearing himself down while Wolvie's healing factor keeps him fresh and in the game. Eventually, Wolvie finally makes contact with his pig-stickers and Bats is down. 1 second and 3 claws later, Bats is out of the fight.
In hand to hand combat, I'm thinking Wolvie might win, but take Batman's style. He'll fight and fight and fight until the bad guy THINKS he's down and out, and then he hops back up with some sort of trick and takes his opponant down. My opinion is that he'd take that batarang, and, just as Wolvie opens his mouth to mutter some smart (and sexy) little comment, he'd ram it up into his palatte and slash it around, succesfully creating a delicious omlette of Wolvie's brains.
See, Bats has no margin for error. While he is a great thinker, he doesn't have the time to research Wolvie nor is he able to lead him to his home turf. Sure, he has that nice car, but it isn't much help in a fight. And what good is being the world's greatest detective in a fist fight?
He has Alfred, duh. That butler is all that AND a bag of chips. He'll do the researching while Batman is driving around in his phatty car. Wolvie can't go as fast as the car, and he's stubborn as all heck, so batman can use that to tire him out. After Alfred unearths the fact that Wolvie is, for the most part, indestructable, he'll use his awesome detective skills to figure out that he should use the batarang on his palatee, because there is no skull there.
Wolvie is "the best there is at what he does", which involves beating the heck out of other people dressed in colored spandex. While Bats fights guys like the Riddler, the Joker and Two Face, Wolvie is used to battling big guns like Magneto, the Juggernaught, Mr. Sinister, Apocolyps and Sabertooth.
You're forgetting Batman's awesome logic. Sure, Wolvie has battled with those big, hulking, and smart-but-bent-on-world-d estruction brutes, but Batman fights the craziest of women. Fighting them has honed his skills to a T. Wolvie's enemies could be compared to rhinocerouses (don't knock the spelling), but Batman's enemies are pure panthers. Interesting, your use of the words "big guns". One more example of Batman's superiority. Wolvie's known for using guns. Batman doesn't have to.
And don't give me that "but Batman defeated Superman in Dark Knight Returns". Yeah, 40 years in the future, Joker is gay and batman defeats Superman with the help of a one-armed Green Arrow. So who know, maybe 40 years from now with the help of Ollie, Bats could beat Wolvie. But not now.
I'm not going to, but I'll tell you, Wolvie could never hold up against Superman. Superman would taunt him from the air, as he jumps up and down, losing control to his anger, and then Superman would crush him, and then fly home to do Lois. Batman's high class tricks brought Superman down. Wolvie has none of those.
I rest my case.
(I wonder why no one else has thought of that pointy object through the palatte thing..)
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Okay folks, we've done this before and had some heated responses. Imagine if there were a battle between Wolvie and Bats. Both knew the fight was going to take place (no sneaking up on the person while they sleep). It is in a nuetral location (sorry, Gothom or the Danger Room would sway it too much one way or the other).
We're talking a straight out fight. Mano-a-mano.
Bats has all of his usual bat-arsenal. He has the car and the belt and the grappling hooks and sprays. Wolvie has his adamantium skelleton, claws and healing factor.
So who wins?
Here's my take on it: I say Wolvie wins. I think Bats will fight him for hours, wearing himself down while Wolvie's healing factor keeps him fresh and in the game. Eventually, Wolvie finally makes contact with his pig-stickers and Bats is down. 1 second and 3 claws later, Bats is out of the fight.
See, Bats has no margin for error. While he is a great thinker, he doesn't have the time to research Wolvie nor is he able to lead him to his home turf. Sure, he has that nice car, but it isn't much help in a fight. And what good is being the world's greatest detective in a fist fight?
Wolvie is "the best there is at what he does", which involves beating the heck out of other people dressed in colored spandex. While Bats fights guys like the Riddler, the Joker and Two Face, Wolvie is used to battling big guns like Magneto, the Juggernaught, Mr. Sinister, Apocolyps and Sabertooth.
And don't give me that "but Batman defeated Superman in Dark Knight Returns". Yeah, 40 years in the future, Joker is gay and batman defeats Superman with the help of a one-armed Green Arrow. So who know, maybe 40 years from now with the help of Ollie, Bats could beat Wolvie. But not now.
So what do you think?
Batman hasn't been handing bad guys their asses for 60 years because some lughead midget can beat his ass. Not only is Batman an expert at hand-to-hand combat, but he is 99% of the time cool, calm, and collected. Wolverine is all anger and careless rage, and not to mention that he's not very intelligent.
And of the subject that Oliver Queen helped Bats? Well, he tried but Supergay caught the arrow, so Batman was beating his ass by himself. And whenever Wolverine fought the "Big Guns" he always had at least five of the most powerful beings on the planet. Wolverine killed Magneto by sticking him from behind.
Bats could cripple Wolverine by hitting nerves and pressure points.
Either way, Bats wins, with confidence. -Member of The Council of Pantheon
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Illy the Monkee: What is a phatty car?
Just asking.
Anywho, HolyAssassin: Sure, bats can hit pressure points on Wolvie. But to do so, he must get whin range of Wolvie's claws. One hit, that's all it takes for Logan to take Bruce out of the fight.
And I think one of us needs to reread our copy of Dark Knight Returns again. I seem to remember Ollie nailing Supes with the arrow. Maybe we can get a third party to offer their recolection since I am at the ofice and not near my comics.
Anyway, you said that Supes would fight Wolvie from the air. Correct. He'd do the same with bats. However, Frank Miller's comic was the most illogicly ludicrous story I have ever read. If Frank Miller wrote a battle between Logan and Supes, he's probably have Logan defeat Supes with the help of a one-armed Gateway. But I digress.
Another point you made was that Wolvie only defeated major villians when the other X-Men were around to help. That is not true. Logan has single handedly fought the following: Spiderman, Hulk, Sabertooth, Thing, Lobo, Herculees, Captain America, Daredevil, Punisher, Leader, Dr. Doom, IronMan and Nick Fury. I know there are a lot more, but I can't think of them off the top of my head.
Sure, Bats has fought some crazy people, but so has Wolvie. You can't tell me Lobo, Hulk and Sabertooth are sane. February 3, 1959
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Illy the Monkee: What is a phatty car?
Just asking.
Anywho, HolyAssassin: Sure, bats can hit pressure points on Wolvie. But to do so, he must get whin range of Wolvie's claws. One hit, that's all it takes for Logan to take Bruce out of the fight.
And I think one of us needs to reread our copy of Dark Knight Returns again. I seem to remember Ollie nailing Supes with the arrow. Maybe we can get a third party to offer their recolection since I am at the ofice and not near my comics.
Anyway, you said that Supes would fight Wolvie from the air. Correct. He'd do the same with bats. However, Frank Miller's comic was the most illogicly ludicrous story I have ever read. If Frank Miller wrote a battle between Logan and Supes, he's probably have Logan defeat Supes with the help of a one-armed Gateway. But I digress.
Another point you made was that Wolvie only defeated major villians when the other X-Men were around to help. That is not true. Logan has single handedly fought the following: Spiderman, Hulk, Sabertooth, Thing, Lobo, Herculees, Captain America, Daredevil, Punisher, Leader, Dr. Doom, IronMan and Nick Fury. I know there are a lot more, but I can't think of them off the top of my head.
Sure, Bats has fought some crazy people, but so has Wolvie. You can't tell me Lobo, Hulk and Sabertooth are sane.
At second glance, you are correct Longshot, but as far as fighting ppl by himself, did he take them out or kill them? I think not. And I think Bats could come up with a solution to turn that skeleton into a watery substance. -Member of The Council of Pantheon
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Is it me or am I having a serious case of deja vu from the old mbs? lol, i remember i'd always used to start this wolvie vs. darth maul debate buuut...
ta answer yer question, i think wolvie would definetely kick batty's butt. quick and simple.
cuz batman, knowing what he is, is always trying to figure out someway and everything and he's just a normal person in a mask with lotsa gadgets. he could blow away wolvie or run him over a hundred times and wolvie would still get up and get back at him.
besides, wolvie's got the healing factor, batman doesn't. if batty there happens to get a deep cut in his leg or something, he'd have trouble moving around. but on the other hand, wolvie could have his face blown up and grow it back in mere seconds.
well, that's what i think...
You make it sound as if the midget is invincible, when he most certainly is not. His face would not regenerate in mere seconds if the whole thing was
destroyed, he could very easily die before the healing factor took action, and if it was an explosion, I'm geussig there would be lotsa heat, and metal conducts heat, which would probably boil his brain. -Member of The Council of Pantheon
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| REPLIED Monday , July 16, 2001 08:40:48 PM |
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This was always the case on the old board too, what is it with you guys who think Batman is the be all and end all to all heroes?!?!? He is a detective in a cape?!?!? Who fights guys named the Joker and The Riddler?!?!?
Jeebus you people hurt my feelings with this stuff.
Look, it is as simple as this, and I mean it should be no harder than this...Wolverine wins...end of discussion.
And as to his brain boiling or any other nonsense like that...he has been torched before..like burned alive...losing skin and all...and not only did he heal...but his ...brain didn't boil...
Anyways, Kingsolomon is right...Bats doesn't stand a chance. Look, I am a Bat fan...I love the character, but every character has his limitations...geez.
Can't you see that no matter what bats does?!?!? HE can't beat Wolvie?!?!?
Wolvie is stronger, faster...and no matter what you say...is a better scrapper.
Sure bats is calm, collected...but al that will do is give him a normal look on his face when his head finally stops rolling.
Sorry, but no killer instinct, and no healing factor, and not to mention no real way of hurting Wolvie....leaves bats out to dry.
I love both these characters..just one happens to be over matched. Relax..it happens.
Wolvie kills bats, gets snapped like a twig by Thor..I mean...no biggie...just different leagues.
bats is a glorified detective who figures out clues and brings baddies to justice...Wolvie is a war machine hell bent on kicking serious ass.
Especially in the conditions that Longshot put them in...Batman doesn't stand a chance.
It is fun to watch you faithful Bat fans come up with ways that he could win...so please don't stop. AN' WHERE'S YER WANKY FU@KIN' ACCENT GONE YEH BOLLICKS!!
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