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I need help convincing my ex-husband to let our daughter read the Harry Potter books and see the movie on November 16th. He is a Christian, as am I, but he had heard in his church that Harry Potter wasn't good for kids to read. My daughter was in the middle of reading her third Harry Potter book and he took the book away from her and wouldn't let her finish reading it. She really wants to see the Harry Potter movie on the 16th but she doesn't want to go against her father's wishes. (She is 13 by the way and posts on the board as CoolGirlLeia). I am going to take my two youngest kids to see the movie on the 16th and I would feel bad if my oldest daughter was left out. (The other kids were from my second marriage). Can you give me any facts that I could tell him to get him to change his mind about Harry Potter? Have any of you heard anything about people saying Harry Potter is bad for kids before?

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Read "What's a Christian to do with Harry Potter"

I just finnished reading it, and it gives a fair account of each side's argument! Trust me on this, he was probably missinofrmed. I'm a Christian too! It clears up a lot of misconceptions, and if I hadn't wanted to go near HP before, I would definately be more trusting after reading that book! Check the local library, but I think it costs about $13 to buy!

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Hey thanx silverwitch!! (Mara Jade is my mum!)

My mom will tell my dad that. It's very helpful information!

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Over here. Been a Christian all my life. Church every Sunday, played guitar for the choir, friends with the parish priest, etc.

My co-worker is the same way. I've been asking her to buy her 6 yr old son book 1 but she always goes, "Harry Potter is evil!" and blah blah blah. She's mellowed out now and even bought him a Potter folder for school but get this -- her son's teacher contacted her and asked that her son's folder be replaced! I can't believe this!!!

To get back on topic, personally, I think the book should be for 7 and above with parents' supervision. If she's around 10-12, she can read it on her own. I mean, I just don't get why people are like this. It's a book. I think I read my first book when I was 5 and it was all about the Greek Myths. Perseus and the Minotaur, Theseus, Pegasus, all that other good stuff. Never did I think that any of those were real.

I think if kids are smart enough to know what right and wrong are, especially with all that's happening all around us right now, having them read a book that millions of other kids have read around the world without incident should be the least of our problems.

Another suggestion would be for you to read them yourself, if you haven't already just so you have a much better opinion on it. Then have your ex read it too. Don't tell me he's afraid of what the book's gonna do to him?

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No prob!

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d'oh! i was in the library and i saw a magazine by a christian organization talking about harry potter. they had some positive arguments for harry potter there.

the book doesn't teach you anything about devil worship or "evil" things in that sense. people focus way too much in particular on the fact that its a school of witchcraft and wizardry. there are greater values in the book about the value of friendship, even on the emphasis of intelligence and working hard at school (yay hermione)

i would think since coolgirleia is 13, she should be old enough to discern the difference between reality and fiction. and mature enough to understand the situations that are raised in the books.

try not to be persuaded by those that try to ban the books. some of the best works of fiction have been banned for even less "objectionable" material.

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Hey, she's your daughter too. Tell him what you think about it.

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Hey, she's your daughter too. Tell him what you think about it.


I told her that since it comes out the weekend she is with me, that she can go with the rest of the family. But she is a good kid, and doesn't want to go without her father's approval.

Thanks for your help everyone. I'll be seeing him tonight as there is a parents night at my daughter's school, so hopefully I can get him to change his mind.

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Good Luck!

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Dear ms.MaraJade,
I'm Blue Inferno(let me call myself this way), an Italian boy.I'm 16 and I'm a great fan of Harry Potter's magical world.I think that your husband should take a better position-better for your daughter:books are the mightiest exercise for a mind to create fantasy worlds,and I want you to notice that I said FANTASY ones.Everyone can think everything wants about a book,and it hasn't necessarily to influence your life-it's a matter of how your daughter faces a book.Even if she firmly acquires matters that are in books and believes in them,those matters won't attack those religious pracepts your husband may thaught her.Magic isn't necessarily correlated to Evil and Devil,for Harry FIGHTS Evil,and I think he would eventually fight the Devil itself. Just tell your husband that Harry's world is for kids that don't have strict religious concepts-and if it won't give'em some,it won't even change those that already exist.
And,after all,why don't you try to make him read Harry's books? He may change his ideas...
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Mara:

Tell him that kind of thinking got the people of Afghanistan in big trouble.

They can't even listen to music!!!

Thank goodness for free speech,

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Hey Mara! Here is my two cents about it:

Personally reading a book, no matter if it is anything from The Handmaid's Tale to Harry Potter (Both excellant BTW), is a way to take a kid away from normal world. It increases interest in school, it takes them away from all the hecticness of the world AND it is so much better than having her brain being fried by watching Nickolodeon or whatever she watches 24/7. The books do not preach devil worship and they don't preach hatred of god. I was raised a Catholic and go to Catholic school, and I have read all 4 of the books and my school openly LOVES Harry Potter. For some of the younger grades it was required reading. It is lots of fun to read and you daughter probably enjoyed it a lot. Plus she was probably just getting to the good part! Why don't you quickly read Sorcerer's Stone and tell him yourself that it doesn't teach anything like why he took it away.

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Hey Mara Jade nice to see you here! as well with CoolGirlLeia!

I have been a Catholic all my life. I go to church every sunday, go to prayer meetings every Friday, and Im one of the Head Coordinators for our Youth Group. and here's what I think I don't find anything wrong with the Harry Potter books. although it does deal with witchcraft and other magical stuff I don't find anything wrong with it since it's Fantasy stuff. Just like StarWars there's sorcsery (I dunno how to spell that ) that show's the Jedi Knight's powers and stuff but I think it's OK to watch these kinds of films and read books like this. as long as it dosen't go over board for ex. I don't treat StarWars like a God or anything just like the thing going on in Europe or Australia I think some people are officially changing their religion to Jedi which I think is very stupid and something I would never do no matter if someone paid me a million bucks! I still wouldn't do it so I think it's OK as long as it dosen't go overboard which I doubt will happen

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Well am late coming responding to this but I do feel I should make a few points (that I think would be helpful to point out to your...uh... unenlightened husband.

1. The Books are fiction (duh)
2. Your daughter is old enough to distinguish between what is real and what is fantasy.
3. The books project a very stead-fast approach to light over evil.
4. The books in no way teach or promote the use of witchcraft or sorcery. (They have nothing to do with "wicka" or whatever it is called.) The spells and incantations in the books are merely latin word or even english words changed and reformed to make a new word. I promise you, pick up a stick and say lumos and no light will appear at the end of it.
5. Get him to read the first book. Even if you have to buy him the book on tape, I promise you that after reading it he will change his feelings on them. (Most likely.)
6. Read them yourself if you already haven't. This will give you a better idea on your argument points and you won't feel like your just repeating things other people have told you.
7. Tell him to be thankful your daughter isn't in a gang or doing drugs or failing school or anyhting else like that. She's just reading. (And darn good books at that, too!)

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Thanks again for your responses everyone. I've spoken to my Ex on the phone about this already and he seems to be willing to read what you all have to say, and is interested in getting the book about Christianity and Harry Potter. He said he might even read a book to see for himself! So, thanks VERY VERY much!

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LOL with so many people backing up his opposing side he doesn't dare disagree!

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I'm so glad it's all working out so far! Have his pastor read "What's a Christain to do with Harry Potter"! Stop the misconceptions at their source...

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I am a CAtholic educator and while I was teaching in the Catholic schools I read the books to my 3rd graders. The few concerns I had from parents were easily put to rest by simply stating that I taught the book as a fantasy and talked about how the book fit in with our CAtholic Christian beliefs. I never had any complaints afterwards and never heard anything from my priest.

**********I would also point out that the world renowned Christian author ******C.S. Lewis****** Uses a LOT of the same type of imagery in his books about NArnia. Especially "The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe." (Which by the way she may also enjoy.)******
I would start by reminding him that without guidence ANYTHING can be bad for a child. If need be he can explain why "In the real world" witchcraft is wrong, and remind them both that it is fiction.

I am so excited I can hardly sit still!!!!! I feel like a kid at Christmas!!!
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these books saved a boys life, litteraly. he was ready to kill himself and then he read the books and felt so much better about his life that he didnt. so if anyone thinks these books are evil so heard the rong story

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Mara how did it work out???????

I am so excited I can hardly sit still!!!!! I feel like a kid at Christmas!!!
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Initially, I am disappointed that your husband would ban the reading of a book without more information. . . . but since he seems willing to find out more about the book in question, kudos to him. In my experience those who have "trouble" with Harry have not read Harry Potter, but are reacting to what they read about what is supposedly wrong with Harry Potter.

I am a Christian and do not believe that HP interferes, in any way, with my beliefs. Rather, HP is escapism at its best. A young orphaned boy who is loved by nobody, abused by his relatives, beaten by school bullies, and truly has nothing redeeming about his life suddenly discovers, on his 13th birthday, that he is very special. Not only is he special, but, to an entire "world" of people that coexists with everyday people, he is a hero. The story then follows his exploits. To me, it is reminiscent of Star Wars in that there is clearly defined good and evil, and the "magic" that they excercise is akin to a force (some have it, some are gifted, some have no "powers"). The stories are well-developed and have surprising twists and turns -- wonderful mysteries to try to solve within a completely new world that is, most definitely, magical. I applud Rowlings for her inventiveness -- the books are incredibly clever!! Truly, they are a treat. In fact, Linda, I would recommend them to you for reading! (I have read each of them, and I gave them to my dad -- who is 70 to read -- and he, too, loved them).

I would recommend reading it before condemning it. It is, the books can be, I think, quite scary and I would not suggest them for everyone. From what I have seen of Cool Girl Leia, she is definitely up to the experience

Keep us posted!

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I am a CAtholic educator and while I was teaching in the Catholic schools I read the books to my 3rd graders. The few concerns I had from parents were easily put to rest by simply stating that I taught the book as a fantasy and talked about how the book fit in with our CAtholic Christian beliefs. I never had any complaints afterwards and never heard anything from my priest.

**********I would also point out that the world renowned Christian author ******C.S. Lewis****** Uses a LOT of the same type of imagery in his books about NArnia. Especially "The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe." (Which by the way she may also enjoy.)******
I would start by reminding him that without guidence ANYTHING can be bad for a child. If need be he can explain why "In the real world" witchcraft is wrong, and remind them both that it is fiction.


Update!!!! I spoke with her dad last night and he has agreed to let our daughter see Harry Potter! I agree with you wholeheartedly, and I must mention that C.S. Lewis was my favorite writer as a child, and the Narnia chronicles were my favorite books. If you can compare Harry Potter to the Narnia chronicles, then I must start reading these books as well because they must be fantastic.

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As an educator I used both sets of book in my room. Normally the first two from both sets. TO me (MHO) that HP is as good of a book as the Chronicles are. I have not read the all of the Narnia books but I am working on doing so. Teaching 2nd now and in a public school has put a bit of a cramp in my read a loud books as a lot of what goes on in the books are a bit of a 7 year olds head. (Mainly Nanria.) I am starting on HP this week!!!!!!!

I am so excited I can hardly sit still!!!!! I feel like a kid at Christmas!!!
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Mara Jade said:

I am a CAtholic educator and while I was teaching in the Catholic schools I read the books to my 3rd graders. The few concerns I had from parents were easily put to rest by simply stating that I taught the book as a fantasy and talked about how the book fit in with our CAtholic Christian beliefs. I never had any complaints afterwards and never heard anything from my priest.

**********I would also point out that the world renowned Christian author ******C.S. Lewis****** Uses a LOT of the same type of imagery in his books about NArnia. Especially "The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe." (Which by the way she may also enjoy.)******
I would start by reminding him that without guidence ANYTHING can be bad for a child. If need be he can explain why "In the real world" witchcraft is wrong, and remind them both that it is fiction.


Update!!!! I spoke with her dad last night and he has agreed to let our daughter see Harry Potter! I agree with you wholeheartedly, and I must mention that C.S. Lewis was my favorite writer as a child, and the Narnia chronicles were my favorite books. If you can compare Harry Potter to the Narnia chronicles, then I must start reading these books as well because they must be fantastic.


I was a very big fan of the Narnia novels too when I was kid. I am glad that this is finally being made into a major motion picture. The adaptations in the past were really not up to par.

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